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traderjake said:
Maybe EastUS1 will start challenging people to a game of scrabble. 
 
Why bother? While a child's board game would doubtless seem more appropriate and less threatening to you; you and your largely illiterate "spartan" friends would likely have about as much luck there as you would at ever feebly attempting to impersonate pilots and dazzle us all with your skills aloft. No need to further make a joke of yourself.
 
Carry on "LT Hardy".
 
cactusboy53 said:
We're not responsible for the costly path you have taken us all down. We will finish this, and then we'll take out the measuring stick to see what you have cost us all. See you in Philadelphia (soon, but not soon enough).
BTW I get compliments on the tie every day.
It must be quite the sad experience every time west pilots land in KPHL in the afternoon and see all the HEAVY flying they are barred from. Dave selects auto rakes medium and clears 27R at the earliest as it rankles him so much.
All those beautiful 330 tails in American colors, and not a west pilot at the controls.
You did it to yourselves Leonidas members
 
Claxon said:
It must be quite the sad experience every time west pilots land in KPHL in the afternoon and see all the HEAVY flying they are barred from. Dave selects auto rakes medium and clears 27R at the earliest as it rankles him so much.
All those beautiful 330 tails in American colors, and not a west pilot at the controls.
You did it to yourselves Leonidas members
 
 
Some say overseas flying is overrated...
 
But there is no denying it is overpaid, if you can get it. 
 
cactusboy53 said:
BTW I get compliments on the tie every day.
Sure you do liar, from one scab to the other I bet.




PS. it is finished...........big smiles flounder!
 
Claxon said:
It must be quite the sad experience every time west pilots land in KPHL in the afternoon and see all the HEAVY flying they are barred from. Dave selects auto rakes medium and clears 27R at the earliest as it rankles him so much.
All those beautiful 330 tails in American colors, and not a west pilot at the controls.
You did it to yourselves Leonidas members

"Its time to take a good look in the rear-view mirror. If we had a single contract in place, the NIC would also be in place. Sure, we would probably still have USAPA. But long before the East removed ALPA, we would have been operating under a single contract, with the Nicolau seniority list in place. Next time you go to a training center brown bag lunch, before you go after the company and the East, keep in mind how close we were to a TA prior to the NIC. We did it to ourselves, guys."

Dave Blomgren, for the U-Turn

NEXT U-Turn: More details on what we lost and how we lost it.
 
According to our reports, on Day One of Wye River, Jeff Freund warned the West MEC that if USAPA won, the West risked losing everything. He urged reaching an agreement. He was gone on Day Two. We wont address his motivation for leaving.
As Jeff Freund observed in his rebuttal to the East MEC lawsuit, the NIC was not in stone. And the loss of ALPA put it in real trouble. At least ALPA had the obligation, through the ALPA Merger Policy, to attempt to get the company to use the NIC Award.

ALPAs lawyers knew the list was negotiable, but they never told either rank and file. We attended last summers ALPA road shows in PHX, starring Paul Rice and a cast of ALPA attorneys. Did ALPA ever hint that the NIC was negotiable? We believe it was for fear of fanning the flames and drawing more support for USAPA that Herndon kept that from us. They did tell all the Wye River attendees the reality. One side listened, the other didnt.





Dave, YOUR side did not listen, plain and simple




Dave Blomgren knew all along!
 
U-Turn: Taking Responsibility




"Our former MEC and our union leadership played a very high stakes game of poker by not dealing at Wye River. Freund was right, we were risking everything…..and right now, it looks like we lost. They need to take responsibility for that."

U-Turn
 
Some east pilots even tried a so-called illegal job action to get the company to come up with a contract that would have cemented the Nic in place....and the west opposed it!
 
nevergiveup said:
Some east pilots even tried a so-called illegal job action to get the company to come up with a contract that would have cemented the Nic in place....and the west opposed it!
The honorable judge Conrad also opposed the bonified illegal job action, and then so did the very sullen Mike Cleary in one of the best videos ever posted. I wouldn't be surprised if he had to take a valium or two before having to read the post-injuntion plea to the east pilots to cease in their futile attempts to  harm the company they worked for to attain a contract USAPA was never going to get.  
 
I'm not condoning the job action but frustrations were running pretty high with the lack of progress in negotiations.
 
CallawayGolf said:
The honorable judge Conrad also opposed the bonified illegal job action, and then so did.....
 
And so did your sad cadre of management's precious little darlings. They knew they could count on their pets/"useful idiots" out in PHX to support them.
 
CallawayGolf said:
The honorable judge Conrad also opposed the bonified illegal job action, and then so did the very sullen Mike Cleary in one of the best videos ever posted. I wouldn't be surprised if he had to take a valium or two before having to read the post-injuntion plea to the east pilots to cease in their futile attempts to  harm the company they worked for to attain a contract USAPA was never going to get.  
APA pilots appreciate your professionalism.  I will provide them more quotes from the study that Judge Conrad had from Dr Lee.  Great job west pilots!  You  performed your duties for the company as required.
 
"Moreover, a similar analysis of pilot writeups
by the Company’s “West” pilots (those based in Phoenix who were
formerly employees of America West prior to the 2005 merger) indicates no
such anomaly."
 
"but has remained well within historical norms for the
Company’s West pilots. This increase in the rate of pilot delays relative to
its historical average has resulted in more than 1,100 additional East flight
delays since May 1st."
 
"Exhibit 2 compares seven-day average maintenance write-up rates for US Airways’
East and West pilots in 2011 to their rates in 2010. Exhibit 2 demonstrates that while
maintenance write-up rates in 2011 for both East and West pilots tracked 2010 levels
until late April, the rates for East pilots sharply diverged starting in May.
Average Jan 1, 2008-
Mar. 31, 2011"
 
"Although Exhibit 5 demonstrates that the observed maintenance write-up rate for East
pilots has been well outside the range of what could be expected to occur as a result of
random variation since May 1st, Exhibit 6 demonstrates that a comparable analysis of
maintenance write-up rates for US Airways’ West pilots shows no such anomaly."
 
"East pilots to disrupt the
Company’s operations and are not the result of random statistical variation. Likewise,
it is my opinion that the statistically significant elevated level of these actions—which
is not present for the Company’s West pilots—is the cause of the Company’s
deteriorating operational performance."
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/US_Air_Injunctive_Relief_Against_USAPA/Doc019_Dr.Lee_Expert_Report.pdf
 
CallawayGolf said:
The honorable judge Conrad also opposed the bonified illegal job action, and then so did the very sullen Mike Cleary in one of the best videos ever posted. I wouldn't be surprised if he had to take a valium or two before having to read the post-injuntion plea to the east pilots to cease in their futile attempts to  harm the company they worked for to attain a contract USAPA was never going to get.
You better inform your friend Simmonds of your feeling USAPA and East pilots were not going to get a contract. He swears East pilots avoided the Nic by not trying to get a contract. East pilots wanted a contract. And they also knew they could avoid the Nic. Only West pilots contend that to get a JCBA was to cement the Nic. That was still an unknown.
I still believe the Nic is only going to be a seniority proposal given by the West committee in the SLI. It is still to this day, not a list used to order East and West pilots in seniority. It is still, merely a proposal.
We shall soon see if that is the reality.
 
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