Phoenix said:
AOL never had an election or vote for anything... The hideous design of the tie is proof of that. If the self-appointed money collectors (and spenders) had been subject to democratic influence among the people they allegedly represent, there is no doubt it may have been possible to reach a compromise (Certainly the oligarchy model impeded any possibility of a genuine consensus among the Spartans).
We will never know, but it appears the 2004 and 2005 hires controlled the purse of AOL and Marty's employment plan was just fine with that. How would you ever expect a 2004, 2005 pilot, or better yet... how would a TWA-to-American-to USAir-to-AWA-to-Nicolau-windfall-pilot EVER represent the best interests of the entire Spartan crowd (without ever voting on anything)?
You are completely full of bull dung, and know nothing of which you post!
First, when formed, AOL had a competing group (AWAPPA), of which the majority of West pilots elected to not follow, and instead threw our support to AOL. AWAPPA would be the cohesive glue that bound West pilots, and AOL would be the money organization to fund the legal front. Good call on our part, because the first lawsuit the scab union filed was against AWAPPA in the RICO suit, trying to break the West's ability to fund. No money there though and the scabs ridiculous lawsuit was quickly thrown out of court.
Second, during the first DJ trial on Silver's bench, ALL West pilots received a notification from the court that they were part of a class action in the court, and if they wished to withdraw, instructions were included as to how to accomplish removing oneself from the class. To my best knowledge, NO West pilot exercised their right to be removed from the class.
Third, the major principles of AOL run the entire seniority range of the West pilot group, as have the named plaintiffs in the AOL lawsuits, and most importantly the AOL donors list, which BTW is a majority of West pilots. (i.e. we voted by majority of contributors and it passed)
Fourth, at times, dissent among the West group has arisen and we "vote" with our financial support of AOL, and we voted in the usapa elections to put AOL principles in usapa rep positions. Kind of a EFF YOU SCAB union vote I know but still a vote all the same.
Finally, please explain to the lurkers how a 1987 TWA hire-to AMR-to AWA-pilot (note I left out the fictitious USAir step, never could have happened at your failing airline) would have received a (your words) "windfall" by getting his AWA hire date incorporated into the Nic. Then compare that to the 1987-90 USAir hire usapa scab who wanted to leapfrog from furloughed to senior to 50% of the West captains by voting (pure democracy in action) in a scab union to allow her to do so!
To sum, you are full of shot, just like the usacaba communications committee chairmen have been. You lie, make up half truths, and withhold all the facts. Further, you consistently pull the uscaba trick of forwarding a hypothetical as fact, then try to run a conclusion from the initial false premise, then get all wound up when the reality shoots down your original lie.
Are you Claxon and Luv9 still sleeping together??
