2015 Pilot Discussion.

[nic4us]

 
 
You just keep digging your own hole deeper.  No ballots provided by AOL to the members to vote on anything.  Not one.
 
...and when AOL finally made a recommendation on the MOU vote (brought to you by both companies, APA, and USAPA), it was only in the context of immediately reneging on its obligations to all parties.   

 
You still do not get it!  AOL does not have "members" so there is no way to have a vote of the non-existing membership.
 
Your second sentence is pure BS.  AOL had no obligations to any parties.  AOL was not involved with the construction of the MOU.  AOL was not involved with the vote for the MOU.  AOL had no obligations to other parties in the MOU process or vote.
 
 
You are confusing West pilots, both MIGS and non-Migs and domicile reps of uscaba, as somehow represented by AOL in the MOU process and vote.  Not the case!  usapa was the only party for the LCC pilots who had an obligation...its called a DFR and they failed by reneging on that duty by trying to once again fix/rig the process in the MOU.  Just like they tried to FIX/RIG the process when writing their C&BLs.
 
You got caught with your greedy scab hand in the cookie jar.  So quit trying to shift the blame on AOL for catching you.

 

[luvthe9]

Yes Yes, the twice bankrupt, about to liquidate company somehow bought a solvent corporation and moved its HQ to the former's building in Tempe, after AWA was making east payroll to float it to the merger date.
 
We will certainly tell the arbs what we bring....we bring the NIc, and you will thank your lucky stars we do and did, cause if we bring the other evidence of career expectation, you will end up at the bottom of the list being that average West capts on c2004 were making as much as your top widebody cappys on LOA93.  IOW. you folks worked for scab wages and it would totally bite you absent the Nic.

Do I have tonpost again the wages of your scab airline, you always will be a scab airline that was the last choice for anyone to go to work for.

 

[cactusboy53]

All that blather and not once did you refer to a Spartan VOTE on anything.  No transparency.  No votes.  No public books on who gets paid what to manage it all.  Its a mini "aristocracy" or "oligarchy"... and you, for one, are ok with that.  
 
Bradford started USAPA not only by a vote, but he also ensured that the first USAPA officers had a reduced period of service so that elections would be available to almost immediately adjust USAPA's goals and personalities.  Over the life of USAPA the personalities and the goals were heavily affected by the voting process.  
 
AOL's money handlers never once allowed any transparency or entrusted themselves or their organizational goals to an electoral process, or even a broad based voting process.  It appears they have always been tight fisted micromanagers that had no trust in the collective wisdom of the membership at large.

How do you know if we vote or don't vote? How could you possibly understand how we operate? That's because you don't, Scotty.

Our defense us working just fine. Don't you fret one bit. All but a couple of weak nat-sayers are COMPLETELY HAPPY with our program & volunteer squad.

Hey, why don't you go see how your "dream team" is doing? You get to "vote" on that stuff, right?

 

[cactusboy53]

Word comparison for the day.. "Retrospective vs. Prospective" as it relates to December 9th 2013.

Is that the day the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

 

[EastUS1]

 
You still do not get it!  AOL does not have "members" ....

 
That sounds like a personal problem Caitlyn.

 

[nic4us]

Do I have tonpost again the wages of your scab airline, you always will be a scab airline that was the last choice for anyone to go to work for.

 
Actually, it was probably the second choice for the east furloughees who had zero expectation of ever being recalled to Airways.  Many took the offer!  Absent the 2005 merger, it would have likewise been the second choice of the other 3000 east pilots who suddenly found themselves unemployed upon liquidation.
 
If you wanted work between 1999 and 2005 it was only at one of the "big" three that were hiring.  SWA, AWA or JetBlue.

 

[nic4us]

 
That sounds like a personal problem Caitlyn.

That is why I still bother reading your posts!
 
Funny, you and Mutatis still come up with some great stuff!!

 

[nic4us]

Do I have tonpost again the wages of your scab airline, you always will be a scab airline that was the last choice for anyone to go to work for.

 
Go right ahead, but post the actual pay scales from our contract and employee agreements.
 
Not that MIT thing that is evidence of how strong and thriving AWA was but, how low our average was, when 40% of our pilots were on less than 5 year pay, and at times up to 30% were on 1st year pay.  I would then have to go through all the trouble of explaining how to do math to you and Claxhole again.
 
BTW, a 4 year AWA capt was still making more than a pre-merger east capt on LOA93 in 2004.

 

[EastUS1]

That is why I still bother reading your posts!
 
Funny, you and Mutatis still come up with some great stuff!!

 
The same can't be said for your dependably smarmy, passive-agressive BS, I'm afraid.

 

[Phoenix]

 
You still do not get it!  AOL does not have "members" so there is no way to have a vote of the non-existing membership.
..

 
 

How do you know if we vote or don't vote? ..

 

[EastUS1]

 
Go right ahead, but post the actual pay scales from our contract and employee agreements.
 

 
From AWA's exalted history?...Seriously? Sigh...Why bother, unless one intends to offer a compelling entry for the Joke of the Day contest? 😉
 
Face it son; "you'se" went to work for the only supposed "airline" that would actually hire the majority of you.

 

[EastUS1]

 
Actually, it was probably the second choice for the east furloughees ....

 
Ya' think? Ever hear the phrase "desperate times call for desperate measures"? What was your excuse for ever taking a job at AWA?
 
nic4us: If you wanted work between 1999 and 2005 it was only at one of the "big" three that were hiring.  SWA, AWA or JetBlue. "  So if one struck out at SWA and Jetblue they'd find themselves at AWA? Got it.

 

[luvthe9]

Ya' think? Ever hear the phrase "desperate times call for desperate measures"? What was your excuse for ever taking a job at AWA?
 
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Could not get hired at McDonalds.

 

[nic4us]

Could not get hired at McDonalds.

 
Now that is funny...because I was offered employment to fly for McDonalds...but I am a little leery of clowns so I had to turn Ronald down.

 

[Phoenix]

Dale Carnegie....   I think he wrote a chapter on Jumpseating etiquette... Some of the younger AWA pilots evidently never read that chapter, or the rest of the book for that matter...
 

They laminate the wrong things..