2015 Pilot Discussion.

[luvthe9]

Poor little nonic4us still does not get it AOL ruined your career.............Dave Blomgren knew the answers all along .......... Your simple minds were easily swayed and for what.


All the wasted money, stupid ties, lost upgrades and upward movement just to be SELF locked in a little fishbowl, pathetic.




Looking out on the beach at the Jersey shore, just a nice hot day at the shore......get it, a big ocean not a little fishbowl.

 

[nic4us]

 
The reference to "our republic" clearly meant the USA, which I fervently hope is far from finished. No surprise that would pass you, given the obvious limitations of your childishly nic-obsessed perspective on everything.
 
Per: "Suck eggs"? Does that honestly plant a flag atop the intellectual heights you can manage? Oh well. "This is Sparta!" failed to much inspire as well. Sigh...Perhaps to enhance your expressive ability you should consult with a child at least over the age of 13 or so, and hopefully possessive of an IQ above ambient temperature at the pole of your choosing, north or south.
 
P.S. "3. Issue supreme "aviation challenge"? When did anything become a "supreme challenge" of any sort? It's merely an offer of a purely recreational flying wager that you clearly know you would prove yourself an utter fool within, lest why would overly dramatic terms like "supreme" even come to your laughable excuse for a "mind"?

 
East, I got to tell you, I still bother reading your post, but PLEASE, cut out the stupid challenge stuff.  
 
No West pilot is going to make a wager with any east pilot senior to a third lister.  
 
You have proven to be reneging whiners, so it would be pointless to wager with someone who does not have the integrity to pay off their debt if they lose the wager.
 
Get it?  You will never get an acceptance.
 
Now, if you want to compare flying skills between the two groups, just look at the safety records for the past ten years.  You lose...wage over!!!

 

[nic4us]

Poor little nonic4us still does not get it AOL ruined your career.............Dave Blomgren knew the answers all along .......... Your simple minds were easily swayed and for what.


All the wasted money, stupid ties, lost upgrades and upward movement just to be SELF locked in a little fishbowl, pathetic.




Looking out on the beach at the Jersey shore, just a nice hit day at the shore......get it, a big ocean not a little fishbowl.

 
Oh, look here, junior thinks he was successful in stealing my career and wants to shift blame to AOL?
 
Not even close.
 
Seriously little girl, the next few months are gonna be interesting, remember project wingman is there if you need it.

 

[Phoenix]

 
You are completely full of bull dung, and know nothing of which you post!
 
First, when formed, AOL had a competing group (AWAPPA), of which the majority of West pilots elected to not follow, and instead threw our support to AOL.  AWAPPA would be the cohesive glue that bound West pilots, and AOL would be the money organization to fund the legal front.  Good call on our part, because the first lawsuit the scab union filed was against AWAPPA in the RICO suit, trying to break the West's ability to fund.  No money there though and the scabs ridiculous lawsuit was quickly thrown out of court.
 
Second, during the first DJ trial on Silver's bench, ALL West pilots received a notification from the court that they were part of a class action in the court, and if they wished to withdraw, instructions were included as to how to accomplish removing oneself from the class.  To my best knowledge, NO West pilot exercised their right to be removed from the class.
 
Third, the major principles of AOL run the entire seniority range of the West pilot group, as have the named plaintiffs in the AOL lawsuits, and most importantly the AOL donors list, which BTW is a majority of West pilots. (i.e. we voted by majority of contributors and it passed)
 
Fourth, at times, dissent among the West group has arisen and we "vote" with our financial support of AOL, and we voted in the usapa elections to put AOL principles in usapa rep positions.  Kind of a EFF YOU SCAB union vote I know but still a vote all the same.
 
Finally, please explain to the lurkers how a 1987 TWA hire-to AMR-to AWA-pilot (note I left out the fictitious USAir step, never could have happened at your failing airline) would have received a (your words) "windfall" by getting his AWA hire date incorporated into the Nic.  Then compare that to the 1987-90 USAir hire usapa scab who wanted to leapfrog from furloughed to senior to 50% of the West captains by voting (pure democracy in action) in a scab union to allow her to do so!
 
To sum, you are full of shot, just like the usacaba communications committee chairmen have been.  You lie, make up half truths, and withhold all the facts.  Further, you consistently pull the uscaba trick of forwarding a hypothetical as fact, then try to run a conclusion from the initial false premise, then get all wound up when the reality shoots down your original lie.
 
Are you Claxon and Luv9 still sleeping together?? 

 
 
You bloviated for a long time there and still you didn't reference a single vote provided by your money handlers.  Not one.  

 

[luvthe9]

Oh, look here, junior thinks he was successful in stealing my career and wants to shift blame to AOL?
 
Not even close.
 
Seriously little girl, the next few months are gonna be interesting, remember project wingman is there if you need it.

Just remember you are lucky to even be here, we saved your sorry arses.


Be sure to tell the arbs what you bring to this merge and how important the little fishbowl is to the operation.




Big smiles






"Without a loan guarantee we were going to find ourselves liquidating." The $380 million loan guarantee was approved on a split vote, with a Treasury official voting no and the federal government controlled a third of the company.



Footnote: Acquired America West Holdings (2004 rank: 678), Sept. 27, 2005. For accounting purposes, however, the company is treating America West as the acquirer.



. First off, as to the stagnation of growth for America West pilots since the merger what I will tell you is, and this is a hard thing to communicate to people but I believe it with all my heart, that if we didnt do the merger with US Airways youd be in a lot worse position. And frankly I think as a 3-year FO, you wouldnt have a job. We would have gone through a bankruptcy filing. We would have downsized. We had an airline at America West that had 20% lower unit revenues than US Airways and now has the same unit cost. That airline could not survive.







You should have been sold to Mesa...... You're one lucky little boy

 

[nic4us]

 
 
You bloviated for a long time there and still you didn't reference a single vote provided by your money handlers.  Not one.  

 
Many votes have been taken outside the framework that you are privy.
 
As I pointed out in my longer post, you are just making up hypothetical BS about something you know nothing about.

 

[EastUS1]

How on earth could you possibly understand the inner workings of LEONIDAS?

 
What could be easier to model really?
 
1) Get box.
2) Fill halfway with rocks.
3) Periodically shake for dramatic effect.

 

[nic4us]

 
 
You bloviated for a long time there and still you didn't reference a single vote provided by your money handlers.  Not one.  

 
While I am think about it, and since the topic was democracy, and since you seem to be championing uscaba as some sort of democracy in action, and since you brought up scabford founding uscaba with a vote!
 
Why is it that the PHX domicile, the largest domicile by far at uscaba's founding, could never have more reps than the much smaller east domiciles?  
 
uscaba was not a democracy.  Voting was rigged in the east's favor per the scab constitution.
 
A true democracy would have had popular vote, in which the entire membership had one-man one-vote.  Not good for the scab union though, they needed it to be one-east-pilot=one-vote, one-West-pilot=2/3rds of a vote, so they wrote that in their constitution. 

 

[EastUS1]

 
East, I got to tell you, I still bother reading your post, but PLEASE, cut out the stupid challenge stuff.  
 
Get it?  You will never get an acceptance.
 
Now, if you want to compare flying skills .....

 
Yes I "get it" that I'll evidently never get an acceptance. Wimps like "you'se", no matter how arrogant and posturing online, are obviously nothing but mouths.
 
"Now, if you want to compare flying skills ....." Well, that WAS/is the suggested point of the wager. Sigh...Oh well,..nothing but mouths.

 

[EastUS1]

 
 
All that blather and not once did you refer to a Spartan VOTE on anything.  No transparency.  No votes.  No public books on who gets paid what to manage it all. 

 
But at least they've an entirely self-styled (one just couldn't make this up) "Supreme Commander" and "Integrity Matters" T-shirts! 😉

 

[nic4us]

 
 
You bloviated for a long time there and still you didn't reference a single vote provided by your money handlers.  Not one.  

 
Actually, I think I have figured it out.
 
Are you saying that if it is not a  uscaba vote then it does not count as a pilot representational vote?
 
I supplied 4 instances of how and when the West pilots "voted" among ourselves and you fail to recognize them so I assume this to be the case.
 
Maybe you are saying that unless we included east pilots in our vote of how to defend West careers, then the votes do not carry muster.  
 
 
Wait...Wait...I get it, ....you do not understand that AOL is not a representational body...that there is nothing to vote on...that AOL is the majority of West pilots saying screw you and your scab union!
 
Plain and simple, no votes need be taken!

 

[Phoenix]

 
Actually, I think I have figured it out.
 
Are you saying that if it is not a  uscaba vote then it does not count as a pilot representational vote?
 
I supplied 4 instances of how and when the West pilots "voted" among ourselves and you fail to recognize them so I assume this to be the case.
 
Maybe you are saying that unless we included east pilots in our vote of how to defend West careers, then the votes do not carry muster.  
 
 
Wait...Wait...I get it, ....you do not understand that AOL is not a representational body...that there is nothing to vote on...that AOL is the majority of West pilots saying screw you and your scab union!
 
Plain and simple, no votes need be taken!

 
 
You just keep digging your own hole deeper.  No ballots provided by AOL to the members to vote on anything.  Not one.
 
...and when AOL finally made a recommendation on the MOU vote (brought to you by both companies, APA, and USAPA), it was only in the context of immediately reneging on its obligations to all parties.   

 

[nic4us]

Just remember you are lucky to even be here, we saved your sorry arses.


Be sure to tell the arbs what you bring to this merge....

 
Yes Yes, the twice bankrupt, about to liquidate company somehow bought a solvent corporation and moved its HQ to the former's building in Tempe, after AWA was making east payroll to float it to the merger date.
 
We will certainly tell the arbs what we bring....we bring the NIc, and you will thank your lucky stars we do and did, cause if we bring the other evidence of career expectation, you will end up at the bottom of the list being that average West capts on c2004 were making as much as your top widebody cappys on LOA93.  IOW. you folks worked for scab wages and it would totally bite you absent the Nic.

 

[Phoenix]

 
But at least they've an entirely self-styled (one just couldn't make this up) "Supreme Commander" and "Integrity Matters" T-shirts! 😉

 
 
I really don't care about al their legal strategies, funding manipulations, and internet bloviating, but it is comical that their self proclaimed solace is that they alone are paragons of integrity, though they never intended to follow the MOU they ratified. 

 

[Phoenix]

Word comparison for the day.. "Retrospective vs. Prospective" as it relates to December 9th 2013.