2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Hope777]

http://www.asias.faa.gov/pls/apex/f?p=100:96::::😛96_ENTRY_DATE,P96_MAKE_NAME,P96_FATAL_FLG:17-AUG-15,AIRBUS

 

[EastUS1]

You are correct. One should never wish ill on any aircrew. It makes me sick when someone makes light of any crash/ incident. Unfortunately, that is not the case here on this forum.

 
Understood, and it very ill becomes any of us as even suppposed "gentlemen" to ever do so....Just sayin'...
 
Again: "There, but for fortune..."

 

[Claxon]

Sounds like a serious 321 tail strike. Hit short of runway and bounce. Serious damage to underside, possible total loss.

 

[EastUS1]

Sounds like a serious 321 tail strike. Hit short of runway and bounce. Serious damage to underside, possible total loss.

 
Then (west/east/whatever crew) it's a sad incident we should all use for educational purposes to learn how to best prevent in the future....Period. Previously expressed "spartan" childish idiocy affords no gentleman any open license to behave equally.
 
I'll hope none were injured, other some french-built-pos-Airbus, and that we all can learn from the incident.
 
I "may" sometimes find individual "spartan" children posting here to be complete idiots and total jokes (nic4us/cactusboy/eastcheats/snapthis/et al)....but there are some actual pilots out in PHX as well, and none of them (nor certainly their passengers) do I wish ill.
 
NO excuse ever exists to sink to anyone else's level...Period. Let's not "cheer" for any aircraft damaging incident gentlemen...lest we foolishly prove ourselves other than gentlemen.

 

[Claxon]

Then (west/east/whatever crew) it's a sad incident we should all use for educational purposes to learn how to best prevent in the future....Period. Previously expressed "spartan" childish idiocy affords no gentleman any open license to behave equally.
 
I'll hope none were injured, other some french-built-pos-Airbus, and that we all can learn from the incident.
 
I "may" sometimes find individual "spartan" children posting here to be complete idiots and total jokes (nic4us/cactusboy/eastcheats/snapthis/et al)....but there are some actual pilots out in PHX as well, and none of them (nor certainly their passengers) do I wish ill.
 
NO excuse ever exists to sink to anyone else's level...Period. Let's not "cheer" for any aircraft damaging incident gentlemen...lest we foolishly prove ourselves other than gentlemen.

Agreed. 100%
And nobody should rush to judge another until a complete investigation. No one can ever know exactly what another air crew actually encountered, even with a comple NTSB investigation.
427 was evidence of that. Boeing attempted to drop that entirely on that unfortunate crew, who were unable to answer for themselves.

 

[EastUS1]

Agreed. 100%
And nobody should rush to judge another until a complete investigation. No one can ever know exactly what another air crew actually encountered, even with a comple NTSB investigation.
427 was evidence of that. Boeing attempted to drop that entirely on that unfortunate crew, who were unable to answer for themselves.

 
Indeed sir. All I now know, and that only from this immediate board's postings, is that an aircraft was injured and a crew sustained difficulty. I don't care if they're west/east/whatever. I'll give the full benefit of the doubt to fellow pilots at this time.
 
Again, and as always: "There, but for fortune...." I'm nowadays an "ancient" aloft, and I couldn't even begin to count the mistakes I've made over time that might've conceivably produced unpleasant results had Dame Fortune not smiled, and instead the Furies chose to act. 😉

 

[Phoenix]

 
Indeed sir. All I now know, and that only from this immediate board's postings, is that an aircraft was injured and a crew sustained difficulty. I don't care if they're west/east/whatever. I'll give the full benefit of the doubt to fellow pilots at this time.
 
Again, and as always: "There, but for fortune...." I'm nowadays an "ancient" aloft, and I couldn't even begin to count the mistakes I've made over time that might've conceivably produced unpleasant results, had Dame Fortune not smiled. 😉

 
 
Evidently it was an airbus in a phase of "flight" with the auto pilot off.  An airbus with the autopilot off is not an aircraft.  No pilot should be held accountable for anything an airbus does with the autopilot off.  Its a  total crapshoot and your odds are set by pencil neck engineers that premised their design on an inherent distrust of pilots.  
 
But its a comfortable cubicle to work in.  

 

[EastUS1]

 
 
Evidently it was an airbus in a phase of "flight" with the auto pilot off.  An airbus with the autopilot off is not an aircraft.  No pilot should be held accountable for anything an airbus does with the autopilot off.  Its a  total crapshoot and your odds are set by pencil neck engineers that premised their design on an inherent distrust of pilots.  
 
But its a comfortable cubicle to work in.  

 
Yuck...a French-made obomination by any accounts methinks. "Open the pod bay doors HAL"..."I'm sorry Dave. I can't do that"/etc. What kind of criminally insane psychotics design an "aircraft" that can't be cross-controlled until almost the point of impact with the earth?..Or that "knows what's best for you" as did the one that gave birth to the Aribus vs chain saws sick jokes, by way of refusing up elevator commands to it's only slightly-supposed pilot, so's to crash into trees instead?
 
Don't even get me started here: The French have been completely worthless in aircraft design past the SPAD 13 and admittedly later; the first generations of the Mirage fighters.
 

 

[cactusboy53]

Then (west/east/whatever crew) it's a sad incident we should all use for educational purposes to learn how to best prevent in the future....Period. Previously expressed "spartan" childish idiocy affords no gentleman any open license to behave equally.
 
I'll hope none were injured, other some french-built-pos-Airbus, and that we all can learn from the incident.
 
I "may" sometimes find individual "spartan" children posting here to be complete idiots and total jokes (nic4us/cactusboy/eastcheats/snapthis/et al)....but there are some actual pilots out in PHX as well, and none of them (nor certainly their passengers) do I wish ill.
 
NO excuse ever exists to sink to anyone else's level...Period. Let's not "cheer" for any aircraft damaging incident gentlemen...lest we foolishly prove ourselves other than gentlemen.

Mostly agree with your 1/2 hearted post (sans paragraph 3). In all fairness in regard to paragraph 3, we all feel the same about you, Capt. Crunch.

Simply bringing up stuff like this or championing one's record over another is akin to "whistling past the graveyard" and in extremely poor taste.

 

[EastUS1]

.....we all feel the same about you, Capt. Crunch.

 
The wager's always open. I don't give a rat's arse about how you "feel". What would be truly amusing is to see how you "fly"...? Well? 😉
 
Forgive me if my patience has worn ungraciously thin with utterly pathetic fools like "you'se". Umm...I'm willing to offer a "trophy" just for "participating" if that would help how you "feel"....? You've previously mentioned a "group hug", so I must suppose some gentle nurturing is needed here...?
 
Per your "Mostly agree"? How very kind of "you'se", but I'd sooner take earnest counsel and conversation from my dogs.
 
"I "may" sometimes find individual "spartan" children posting here to be complete idiots and total jokes (nic4us/cactusboy/eastcheats/snapthis/et al)....but there are some actual pilots out in PHX as well," Sorry cactusboy, but you aren't among the "actual pilots" referenced. Prove me wrong for all the world to see at your earliest convenience....No? Why not?
 
I'd think one of the greatest joys of you being cursed with otherwise nothing but a big mouth would be the chance to eagerly show the world the true validity of your position....No?
 
Oh well:cactuboy53 "This is Sparta!'....Right kid? 😉

 

[EastUS1]

"You've previously mentioned a "group hug", so I must suppose some gentle nurturing is needed here...?" Sheesh! Even that got an immediate minus vote. What? Not enough gentle nurturing for the "spartan" crowd? Heck!...A "group hug" was even mentioned, after all.
 
Oh well "spartan" kiddies. Enough laughs for now. 😉
 
P.S. I hope that whatever happened with that latest airbus incident that the crew did their best and won't be "hanged"....Period. None of us can now even possibly know just wtf went on there, and for all we know it was the aircraft's internal/computerized BS/"magic" that betrayed their inputs. "There, but for fortune"/etc.

 

[EastUS1]

 
.... An airbus with the autopilot off is not an aircraft.  ....

 
I'd caustically suggest that an airbus, with or without an autopilot off, ain't much of an aircraft.
 
No computer-driven POS (without even any semblance of a survival instinct) that'll nonetheless fight against pilot inputs could ever be decently termed an "aircraft".

 

[luvthe9]

Capt. Crunch.
Simply bringing up stuff like this or championing one's record over another is akin to "whistling past the graveyard" and in extremely poor taste.

However and unfortunately,


the west have continually done this over the years, another lie from the king liar!

 

[Claxon]

Mostly agree with your 1/2 hearted post (sans paragraph 3). In all fairness in regard to paragraph 3, we all feel the same about you, Capt. Crunch.
Simply bringing up stuff like this or championing one's record over another is akin to "whistling past the graveyard" and in extremely poor taste.

You and Spinthis /Eastcheats/Metroyet are the worst offenders, and throw the karma term around loosely. I honestly feel badly for that crew and would never wish it on anyone.
Your group has almost delighted in bringing up past incidents.
It is disgusting. You and your group need to apologize.

 

[cactusboy53]

1. DRINK
2. POST
3. CHALLENGE
4. REPEAT