2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Bean]

Sounds good East. Don't know if a flying bet is the venue to determine a man's worth, especially at this point in our career. I do see, as I'm sure you do, many different levels of competency while flying the line. But all of us continue to pass the same yearly qualification.

Either way, I will try to think of something with regard to flying that could resolve the complex situation we are involved in.

 

[CactusPilot1]

 
 
swoooosh.  Strike two.  Right down the middle.  Not even a swing.  

 
Harldy, let's see....
 
You realize that Leonidas is entitled to attorneys fees, (claim 3, Addington) which are in the ballpark of $4 million. In addition, Judge Conrad who ruled against USAPA in the past, has to decide what to do with that $4 million that was not returned to West pilots after USAPs were decertified. That pretty much wipes out your treasury.
 
The USAPA officers had better hope there is enough money in the bank because we are going after their assets as well to make-up any shortfall.

 

[snapthis]

 
Harldy, let's see....
 
You realize that Leonidas is entitled to attorneys fees, (claim 3, Addington) which are in the ballpark of $4 million. In addition, Judge Conrad who ruled against USAPA in the past, has to decide what to do with that $4 million that was not returned to West pilots after USAPs were decertified. That pretty much wipes out your treasury.
 
The USAPA officers had better hope there is enough money in the bank because we are going after their assets as well to make-up any shortfall.

 
Speaking of Judge Conrad:
 
USAPA should not be permitted to use funds derived from West Pilots to the detriment of the West Pilots. Defendants previously argued that USAPA had incurred less than $15,000 in
expenses prior to June 29, 2015. (Doc. No. 58). Defendants now contend, however, that they
should be permitted to pay expenses incurred through June 30, 2015, in an amount of $500,000.
(Doc. No. 61-2 at 2). The Court finds this amount unreasonable and will not permit USAPA to
make these expenditures out of its treasury. Therefore, the Court finds that, aside from a
reasonable amount expended related to USAPA’s Petition for Re-hearing En Banc in Addington
v. USAPA, _ F.3d _, 2015 WL 3916665 (9th Cir. June 26, 2015),2 not to exceed $50,000,
USAPA and any officer, employee, or agent of USAPA shall be enjoined from spending any
more money on merger- or seniority-related matters
 
CONCLUSION
 
THEREFORE, IT IS ORDERED that Plaintiffs’ Motion for Preliminary Injunction,
 
(Doc. No. 48), is GRANTED in part and DENIED in part:
 
1. USAPA and any officer, agent, or employee of USAPA are hereby ENJOINED
 
from authorizing, permitting, or causing USAPA to spend any USAPA funds on
 
any type of expenditure relating to, whether directly or indirectly, any merger- or
 
seniority-related matter, including but not limited to any litigation directly or
 
indirectly related to any merger- or seniority-related matter, during the pendency
 
of this case, except that USAPA shall be permitted to expend a reasonable amount
 
of funds relating only to the filing of the Petition for Re-hearing En Banc in
 
Addington v. USAPA, _ F.3d _, 2015 WL 3916665 (9th Cir. June 26, 2015), not
 
to exceed $50,000;
 
2. Plaintiffs’ Motion for Preliminary Injunction to require an accounting of
 
USAPA’s books and records is hereby DENIED;
 
3. USAPA and any officer, agent, or employee of USAPA are hereby ENJOINED
 
from dissolving USAPA without prior written notice to Plaintiffs and approval of
 
this Court during the pendency of this case;

 

[CaptainBigWood]

So USAPA gives Marty $4M and PHX stays in the fishbowl!
No one really expecting any refund . Just like ALPA on our exit.

 

[EastCheats]

So USAPA gives Marty $4M and PHX stays in the fishbowl!
No one really expecting any refund . Just like ALPA on our exit.

Don't look down BW.

Your war chest has suffered some major shrinkage

 

[snapthis]

It gets better and better:
 
Finally, the Court finds that the public interest is furthered by the granting of a
 
preliminary injunction. The public has an interest in seeing that agreements are enforced. See
 
UBS Painwebber, Inc. v. Aiken, 197 F. Supp. 2d 436, 448 (W.D.N.C. 2002). As both parties
 
have agreed, this interest includes enforcing union constitutions. Loretangeli v. Critelli, 853 F.2d
 
186, 196 (3d Cir. 1988). In finding that Plaintiffs have established a likelihood of success on the
 
merits on their LMRDA claim, the Court finds that Defendants have likely violated the USAPA
 
constitution. Therefore, the Court finds that an injunction is in the public interest.

 

[CactusPilot1]

It gets better and better:
 
Finally, the Court finds that the public interest is furthered by the granting of a
 
preliminary injunction. The public has an interest in seeing that agreements are enforced. See
 
UBS Painwebber, Inc. v. Aiken, 197 F. Supp. 2d 436, 448 (W.D.N.C. 2002). As both parties
 
have agreed, this interest includes enforcing union constitutions. Loretangeli v. Critelli, 853 F.2d
 
186, 196 (3d Cir. 1988). In finding that Plaintiffs have established a likelihood of success on the
 
merits on their LMRDA claim, the Court finds that Defendants have likely violated the USAPA
 
constitution. Therefore, the Court finds that an injunction is in the public interest.

Step 1..preliminary injunction

Step 2..LMRDA claim (looks like a success)

With SLI arbitration coming up, I look forward to Sept.

 

[snapthis]

Parties to be Enjoined
 
It is well-settled that a business entity acts only through its agents, such as its employees,
officers, and directors. See Cedric Kushner Promotions, Ltd. v. King, 533 U.S. 158, 166 (2001).
As such, an enjoined entity’s agents may also be individually enjoined. As Defendants point out,
the USAPA constitution requires that all notes, checks, and other negotiable instruments must be
signed by one of its National Officers. (Doc. No. 61 at 9 n.6). Thus, an officer acting
individually pursuant to his or her perceived duties as an officer, may authorize the expenditure
of USAPA funds in contravention to this preliminary injunction.
 
The Court finds, therefore, that it is necessary to enjoin USAPA as well as any officer, employee, or agent of USAPA.

 

[CactusPilot1]

You know what Snap, SLI can be expensive. It's too bad they don't have access to our funds.

AWE

"The funds USAPA has been using to participate in merger- and seniority-related matters
and to further litigation were derived, in large part, from dues paid by Plaintiffs and other West
Pilots. USAPA should not be permitted to use funds derived from West Pilots to the detriment
of the West Pilots."

Sounds fair and equitable

 

[traderjake]

Maybe CaptainDeadWood and the other USAPA supporters can sell those left over pink panties to fund the defence of the officers.

 

[cactusboy53]

Spin this/Eastcheats/Cactuspilot1:
Your response please. Did the PHX rep( former) make the statement or not?
You merely spun a court item out.

Quote:
Originally Posted by cactusboy53

Here's the important thing: As new USAPA pilots we must all be informed and remain informed.

If you want to find out what is going on, call USAPA's hotline. The phone number is: (877) 678-7272. If the line quality is sub-standard, move to the next pay phone and try the number again. Keep trying, because informed is empowered. If it takes 200-300 calls a day, stay informed!!!!

For those of you that are not involved in this event but have a merger on the horizon, you should call too to understand the dynamics.

 
Well, dumba$$, I wasn't a representative when I made that FACTUAL post.  Here's what I said:

• It's important to remain informed.
• USAPA's hotline number for those that didn't know it.
• I said if the quality of the phone line is sub-standard, to move to the next pay phone (who wouldn't do that?).
• We had at the time 1700-1800 active pilots.  Why on earth would USAPA not expect to get 200-300 calls a day on that line from 1700-1800 pilots??

You sure read some nefarious motives into a simple message.  Are you really THAT obtuse??  If your reading comprehension is up, take a gander at this:
 
USAPA and any officer, agent, or employee of USAPA are hereby ENJOINED from authorizing, permitting, or causing USAPA to spend any USAPA funds on any type of expenditure relating to, whether directly or indirectly, any merger- or seniority-related matter, including but not limited to any litigation directly or indirectly related to any merger- or seniority-related matter, during the pendency of this case, except that USAPA shall be permitted to expend a reasonable amount of funds relating only to the filing of the Petition for Re-hearing En Banc in Addington v. USAPA, _ F.3d _, 2015 WL 3916665 (9th Cir. June 26, 2015), not to exceed $50,000;

 

[EastCheats]

 
Well, dumba$$, I wasn't a representative when I made that FACTUAL post.  Here's what I said:

• It's important to remain informed.
• USAPA's hotline number for those that didn't know it.
• I said if the quality of the phone line is sub-standard, to move to the next pay phone (who wouldn't do that?).
• We had at the time 1700-1800 active pilots.  Why on earth would USAPA not expect to get 200-300 calls a day on that line from 1700-1800 pilots??

You sure read some nefarious motives into a simple message.  Are you really THAT obtuse??  If your reading comprehension is up, take a gander at this:
 
USAPA and any officer, agent, or employee of USAPA are hereby ENJOINED from authorizing, permitting, or causing USAPA to spend any USAPA funds on any type of expenditure relating to, whether directly or indirectly, any merger- or seniority-related matter, including but not limited to any litigation directly or indirectly related to any merger- or seniority-related matter, during the pendency of this case, except that USAPA shall be permitted to expend a reasonable amount of funds relating only to the filing of the Petition for Re-hearing En Banc in Addington v. USAPA, _ F.3d _, 2015 WL 3916665 (9th Cir. June 26, 2015), not to exceed $50,000;

 
Don't make the Clax mad. Next thing you know, he's going to reach in that massive VHS library sandwiched between his 8-tracks and post more of his favorite videos.
 
Whatever it takes to distract the masses.
 

 

 

[cactusboy53]

 
My suggested venue's always been nothing more than essentially just a harmless, "tourist" level fantasy-fighter venue like the following: http://aircombat.com/
My honest disclaimer would be to not have it be one I pretty much know the people at, just for fairness' sake, nor would I "set up" anyone.
 
The sad likes of traderjake's whiney BS about any "Dogfight" hardly apply, since the only predictable harm to anyone would be purely by way of ego and wallet....well, unless they're among "sparta's" elite "leadership" and their "liberty" tie sales, personal pride and position might suffer from contractually agreed, afterwards posted video of their "skills" aloft, of course.

 
Here's the sad thing, Bean.  If any one of us chose to take up Capt. Crunch's little challenge, and managed to beat him fair and square (after he gave his word that he would abide by the results).....he would then likely stomp off with his silk scarf & leather cap and demand a do-over because the results were unfair.
 
This is the kind of response that we have witnessed for the last 8 years.  We would not sooner enter into another agreement with a USAPAian again for that very reason.  We don't play with cheats & liars.

 

[EastCheats]

Step 1..preliminary injunction

Step 2..LMRDA claim (looks like a success)

With SLI arbitration coming up, I look forward to Sept.

Step 3...Garage sale at USAPA HQ

Step 4...In progress

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[cactusboy53]

Hey CLAX!  You forgot this one!!!!!
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l_aIfcczGU&feature=youtu.be&t=7m55s