2015 Pilot Discussion.

[cactusboy53]

Here's something A LOT MORE CURRENT than LIAR's aged posts:
 
[SIZE=12pt]In the Matter of the Seniority Integration Involving [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]the Pilots of NEW AMERICAN AIRLINES- July 05, 2015[/SIZE]
       
[SIZE=12pt]To the extent that USAPA and its Merger Committee have exited the process and have decided not to return, that is not the responsibility of the Board or the remaining Parties and should not materially prejudice their legitimate rights and expectations with respect to the timing of the seniority list integration arbitration proceeding in this case…..But if APA is ultimately unsuccessful in its efforts, we are comfortable with the arbitration proceeding in accordance with the Ground Rule modifications in our answer to Question No. 3….Whether or not a Merger Committee is required to advocate in favor of adoption of the Nicolau Award, we are not only authorized but obligated, as a result of the provisions of McCaskill-Bond and the language of the Protocol Agreement, to consider and give appropriate weight to all relevant facts and history when determining both an appropriate methodology and when determining whether the resulting integrated seniority list is fair and equitable. [/SIZE]

 

[luvthe9]

You're a bigger loser and still have to work a few more years.......
But at least your getting a better paycheck than I did thanks to APA.
Thank them when you see them, you owe them a great deal.

Your an idiot, we are all losers because we are younger

 

[cactusboy53]

Oh, I will most assuredly agree with you on the "interesting" remark, Johnny Boy!
 
[SIZE=12pt]“….The Court’s patience with USAPA has run out.  USAPA avoided liability on the DFR claim by the slimmest of margins and the Court has serious doubts that USAPA will fairly and adequately represent all of its members while it remains a certified representative.  But all the Court can do at this stage is implore USAPA to, in the words of CAB, “make every effort to see that [the West Pilots’] are given extensive consideration, and that their interests are fairly and fully represented” during seniority integration…”[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Judge Roslyn O. Silver, Chief United States District Judge[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Case 2:13-cv-00471-ROS   Document 298   Filed 01/10/14[/SIZE]

 

[luvthe9]

Here's something A LOT MORE CURRENT than LIAR's aged posts:
 
In the Matter of the Seniority Integration Involving
the Pilots of NEW AMERICAN AIRLINES- July 05, 2015
       
To the extent that USAPA and its Merger Committee have exited the process and have decided not to return, that is not the responsibility of the Board or the remaining Parties and should not materially prejudice their legitimate rights and expectations with respect to the timing of the seniority list integration arbitration proceeding in this case…..But if APA is ultimately unsuccessful in its efforts, we are comfortable with the arbitration proceeding in accordance with the Ground Rule modifications in our answer to Question No. 3….Whether or not a Merger Committee is required to advocate in favor of adoption of the Nicolau Award, we are not only authorized but obligated, as a result of the provisions of McCaskill-Bond and the language of the Protocol Agreement, to consider and give appropriate weight to all relevant facts and history when determining both an appropriate methodology and when determining whether the resulting integrated seniority list is fair and equitable.

Blah,blah flounder, scabsand thieves in night and day I guess

 

[cactusboy53]

Your an idiot, we are all losers because we are younger

 
And Johnny Boy, you are a LIAR....
 
[SIZE=12pt]“Actually, it is USAPA that is needlessly delaying the resolution of the seniority dispute and jeopardizing the enforceability of the agreement the parties are able to reach. …….The arbitrator’s decision was to be final and binding on both pilot groups and was to be accepted by the Company so long as certain conditions were met.  The Nicolau Award has resulted in four years of litigation including a trial in federal court and jury verdict fining USAPA’s proposal for a non-Nicolau list to constitute an unlawful breach of the union’s duty of fair representation….”[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Paul D. Jones; Vice President – Legal Affairs and Chief Compliance Officer[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Exhibit 1 of  Declaration of Counsel; Case 13-15000, 02/20/2013[/SIZE]

 

[cactusboy53]

Blah,blah flounder, scabsand thieves in night and day I guess

Ohhh, Johnny Boy.  You sure sound DESPERATE.  Me, not at all.  I'm just watching you squirm, and squirming you will be.
 
Painted into a corner.  USAPA's funds being FENCED off & taken away.  The case back in the hands of the US District Court Judge that was quite frank on how she perceived your little plan.  Gee....I wonder what & how she will rule?
 
Here's another CLUE:
 
[SIZE=12pt]“Of course, in negotiating for a particular seniority regime, USAPA must not breach its duty of fair representation. Accordingly, if USAPA wishes to abandon the Nicolau Award and accept the consequences of this course of action, it is free to do so.  By discarding the result of a valid arbitration and negotiating for a different seniority regime, USAPA is running the risk that it will be sued by the disadvantaged pilots when the new collective bargaining agreement is finalized. An impartial arbitrator’s decision regarding an appropriate method of seniority integration is powerful evidence of a fair result. Discarding the Nicolau Award places USAPA on dangerous ground.”[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Judge Roslyn O. Silver, Chief United States District Judge[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]No. CV-10-01570-PHX-ROS ORDER; October 11, 2012[/SIZE]

 

[cactusboy53]

My FAVORITE Mike Cleary quote:
 
[SIZE=12pt]“…The Arbitration Board conducts an evidentiary hearing, with witnesses, evidence and a stenographic transcript. The Board’s Opinion and Award are to be issued simultaneously, within 150 days following the PID, unless both pilot groups and ALPA’s President agree to an extension. The Merger Policy provides, “The Award of the Arbitration Board shall be final and binding on all parties to the arbitration and shall be defended by ALPA.” No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts although some dissatisfied pilots have challenged the award before administrative agencies and the courts.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]US Airwaves June/July 2000[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]US Air Merger Committee Members: Todd Cardoza (PIT), Mike Cleary (BOS),Randy Mowery (PIT)[/SIZE]

 

 

[end_of_alpa]

And JUST when I thought I'd heard it all....

"East Pilot Seniority Protection Group LLC" name reserve filed by Linda Donewald, wife of West Pilot Michael Donewald.

This is what this profession has come down to.

And the battle continues.....

https://www.secretary.state.nc.us/Forms/Download/NameReservation_C201525700754_36ad8cd5c5874c61956f0c38ee945dfd

 

[snapthis]

I have accused you many times in the past of quoting your own marty army of lyingitas legal briefs, making it sound like facts, not APA and the company's legal briefs like I have.
 
Your witness on the hypocrisy claim sir.

 
I got the reply I expected which isn't an answer.

 

[Claxon]

 
Not only would US Airways and American Airlines be hamstrung as prolonged litigation over the fairness of the SLI Arbitration process dragged on, but all of the affected pilots would be deprived of seniority-related opportunities to transfer to other bases, to fly different
aircraft and to enjoy promotional opportunities.
 
The purpose of the 2007 McCaskill-Bond Amendment, 49 U.S.C. § 42112, note
§ 117(b)(3), was to ensure that final and binding integrated seniority lists would be
created and implemented promptly following any airline merger. The broad injunction
sought by the Addington Plaintiffs here would frustrate Congressional intent by virtually
ensuring still more years of litigation. Accordingly, US Airways respectfully requests that
the injunction entered by the Court apply only to USAPA, the party which actually
engaged in the conduct violative of the duty of fair representation owed to the Plaintiffs.
 
Company legal brief.  September 15, 2015

Interesting how the company still considers US Airways and American Airlines as separate entities. 
 
Freudian slip for a future way of settling this SLI debacle?

 

[snapthis]

Here you go Claxon, an appointment is scheduled:
 
ORDER (TEXT-ONLY) - IT IS ORDERED setting Oral Argument on [317] Motion for Permanent Injunction for 9/23/2015 at 2:00 PM, in Courtroom 604, 401 W. Washington St, Phoenix, Arizona, before Senior Judge Roslyn O. Silver. Counsel for Don Addington, US Airline Pilots Association, US Airways Inc., and Allied Pilots Association shall appear. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED the [318] Motion to Expedite and [323] Motion for Leave to File are GRANTED. The Clerk's Office shall file Exhibit A of Doc. 323 as a Response to [317] Motion for Permanent Injunction. Entered by Senior Judge Roslyn O Silver on 9/15/2015. This is a TEXT ENTRY ONLY. There is no PDF document associated with this entry. (TLB)

 

[Claxon]

I have accused you many times in the past of quoting your own marty army of lyingitas legal briefs, making it sound like facts, not APA and the company's legal briefs like I have.
 
Your witness on the hypocrisy claim sir.

Please respond specifically to the above quote GK

 

[Claxon]

Here you go Claxon, an appointment is scheduled:
 
ORDER (TEXT-ONLY) - IT IS ORDERED setting Oral Argument on [317] Motion for Permanent Injunction for 9/23/2015 at 2:00 PM, in Courtroom 604, 401 W. Washington St, Phoenix, Arizona, before Senior Judge Roslyn O. Silver. Counsel for Don Addington, US Airline Pilots Association, US Airways Inc., and Allied Pilots Association shall appear. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED the [318] Motion to Expedite and [323] Motion for Leave to File are GRANTED. The Clerk's Office shall file Exhibit A of Doc. 323 as a Response to [317] Motion for Permanent Injunction. Entered by Senior Judge Roslyn O Silver on 9/15/2015. This is a TEXT ENTRY ONLY. There is no PDF document associated with this entry. (TLB)

Oh what a surprise, enjoy listening to the Company, APA and USAPA in agreement on recent legal matters.
 
You america west pilots insisted on an expedited format, you are going to get one.

 

[Black Swan]

The here and now CB53. Not the past.
Fact: the Ninth refused to order the West request of an un modified Nicolau List in the upcoming MB process.
Fact: The APA has submitted a legal brief that supports East pilot representation unemcumbered.
Fact: American Airlines has submitted a legal brief that mirrors the above.
Fact: USAPA has done the same.
All to The Honorable Judge Silvers' Court.

Does Judge Silver issue an injunction that counters the ruling of a court legally recognized to be superior to her venue? And would it overturn the RULING of same superior venue?
Does Judge Silver issue an order contrary to the wishes of ALL parties to the SLI involved and subject to Federal guidelines of M/B legislation?

Let me know what you think.
Have a good night.

 

[Claxon]

The here and now CB53. Not the past.
Fact: the Ninth refused to order the West request of an un modified Nicolau List in the upcoming MB process.
Fact: The APA has submitted a legal brief that supports East pilot representation unemcumbered.
Fact: American Airlines has submitted a legal brief that mirrors the above.
Fact: USAPA has done the same.

Does Judge Silver issue an injunction that counters the ruling of a court legally recognized to be superior to her venue?
Does Judge Silver issue an order contrary to the wishes of ALL parties to the SLI involved and subject to Federal guidelines of M/B legislation?

Rhetorical questions regarding the Judge Bybee admittedly issued rhetorical club.
 
The west should be thanked for financing this through their dues to USAPA, this is not a seniority matter it is the completion of the DFR appeals.