2015 Pilot Discussion.

[nic4us]

Take a 1988 hire that is now captain for two years and compare it to your reserve f/o pay since USAPA was vote in.
 
Your arithmetic findings sir?

 
Yes, my arithmetic is simple!
 
usapa=SCAB

 

[Claxon]

 
Yes, my arithmetic is simple!
 
usapa=SCAB

Why do you sir, consider East pilots being scabs?
 
Be specific.  I asked you this question many times, but you will not answer.
 
Your thoughts please sir?
 
As President Reagan paraphrased one time.
 
"Make my day.""

 

[Pi brat]

With the new rigs, is there a displacement bid coming to PHX? Could that be why nicless is tense despite all the wins?

 

[Claxon]

Why do you sir, consider East pilots being scabs?
 
Be specific.  I asked you this question many times, but you will not answer.
 
Your thoughts please sir?
 
As President Reagan paraphrased one time.
 
"Make my day.""

I have no further questions your honor. 

 

[cactusboy53]

Answering yourself?? What a stool sample!!

 

[john john]

Not going to miss you. Penn regional.

Allegheny Airlines (Agony Airlines)
For some northeast travelers, this gritty Pittsburgh-based carrier will forever be known as "Agony Airlines," though it actually comes from blue-blood stock, founded by members of the DuPont family. The original name (back in the thirties) was All American Airways and in a way, Allegheny has come full circle.
What happened: The little regional grew up, renamed itself US Airways but will soon go back to its "American" roots after American Airlines completes merger housekeeping chores, such as rebranding its newly acquired US Airways planes. There won't even be a tail logo left. But on the other hand, American's recently updated look is not all that different from US Airways' stylized flag motif. So maybe Allegheny does live on in spirit.

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/revisiting-ghosts-airlines-past/story?id=22516714

America's Worst Airline?
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2001/0611/105.html
America West . Even in an industry rife with screwups, crummy service and dissembling, America West stands out as a paragon of badness. It ranks worst in customer complaints, worst in lost luggage, worst in cabin comfort and next-to-worst in on-time performance. It has one thing going for it: In denied boardings (bumping ticketed passengers because a flight is oversold), it is somewhat less bad than the average airline.

 

[Freighterguynow]

Yep....I do not consider myself better than a van driver, bellhop, etc...  been there done that, paid for my own education.
 
Maybe you should get off your high horse and take a long look at yourself and figure out that you are no better than a bellhop, or a West pilot, or a flight attendant, ramper, agent, etc.
 
 
Ah, never mind, keep up the entitlement attitude, sure fooled George Nicolau.

You are the one claiming validation, no need to project anything upon me.

Did the bellhop say you'd get damages - because that would explain a lot .

 

[luvthe9]

Answering yourself?? What a stool sample!!

Wye River.............big mistake flounder

 

[cactusboy53]

Wye River.............big mistake flounder

Oh Johnny Boy, WYE oh WYE must you continue to lie?

 

[luvthe9]

"Yes, the East offered the NIC. They just wanted to protect their retirement attrition, which stalled by the change in Age-60. Looking back, that offer must look like a home run to any West pilot right now,"




Guess that "home run" just went foul...........you made the wrong choice, greed got the best of you guys

 

[luvthe9]

Oh Johnny Boy, WYE oh WYE must you continue to lie?

Comes from your pilot group flounder, you are still in the denial stage, seek help my little flounder




Sit back, relax and enjoy the show

 

[CAVOK]

 
Damn, you are stupid.
 
Hey genius, had that pilot who gets 50k/yr from the pbgc for 20 yrs= $1 million....um, taken the Kirby.. s/he would have $2 million.
 
Oh, and for the entire decade we worked for LCC, my retirement package was also better than yours as it is based on percentage of income.

That actually is not true. We have had both a 401k and a DC retirement plan. We also have have had a DB for decades and the PBGC which can be taken at age 60 or continues to grow every year that it is not taken. Also, we had wide-body rates that paid more than any West pilot. West has never made more than some of us. 
 
As one senior captain said to me decades ago, "The best way to get a pay raise is a captain's seat" and many of our pilots have been able to do that though our attrition that these employees have waited decades to occur. There is no way that anyone was going to take the "Kirby Proposal". It was highly inadequate and Parker was never going to give us anything that we could ratify. It simply was not going to happen. He never offered anything substantial until he saw a way to take over management of American. 
 
Don't forget the decades that we made some of the best rates in the industry while non-union AWA were paid the lowest with the worst benefits and having to work as dispatchers on their day off. In your lengthy bankruptcy, all AWA employees lost their mandatory stock purchases and some even had to pay back loans that the company made to employees for their mandatory purchases of company stock. (It was a rather clever way to prop up the price of AWA stock.) I never lost any money in US Airways stock. I always invested elsewhere, all of your eggs in one basket and all that.
 
You can read up on your history on http://www.awa-history.org/?q=about_awa/history
 
 
From the AWA history page: 
 
Pilots would also work dispatch, while Customer Service Representatives (CSR) would work as flight attendants, ramp agents, gate agents, ticket agents, or reservation agents - depending on the day....Employees were also owners - each employee, unless state law prevented it, was required to purchase stock in America West when they were hired, usually 20% of their first year's salary. Many employees took loans from the company to purchase their required stock, and these loans were repaid through payroll deductions - an unusual way to fund growth....
 
....Pay and hiring freezes were first established, followed by a 10% pay cut for all employees, and the elimination of free cocktails, newspapers, and free flights for employees. Service to 10 cities had been cut before the filing. Morale came crashing down, as high-flying America West, the darling of deregulation, fell to earth. Bankruptcy would prove to be a long, turbulent process, costing Beauvais and Conway their leadership roles in the airline, as well as all employee-owned stock. Many employees found themselves in the unenviable position of having to pay back loans on worthless stock to the company if they left....

 

[Black Swan]

Nic4 conveniently forgets to mention how bad the Kirby was. And his own Reps said it was substandard. A LUS pilot over time made far and away more.
I am not going to denigrate West pilots, as Nic4 does East pilots, as many are very nice.
The doorman and bellhop story is very telling of just some of the whoppers Nic4 lays out there. He/she is delusional. Better to skip the fairy tales and put on ignore.

 

[Black Swan]

You are the one claiming validation, no need to project anything upon me.
Did the bellhop say you'd get damages - because that would explain a lot .

Now that, is damn funny!

 

[CAVOK]

The doorman and bellhop story is very telling of just some of the whoppers Nic4 lays out there. He/she is delusional. Better to skip the fairy tales and put on ignore.

The bellhop story made me chuckle. We stay at hotels with bellhops? Not even in Europe.
 
I'll ask for the bellhop to take my bags to the room next time I check into the Clarion in Essington.
 
Ding, ding "Call for Phillip Morris!"