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No victim status any more west pilots.
 
"....given that the Agreement is now final, we
submit this as a request pursuant to Section 8(a) of the Agreement.
"
 
"The West Merger Committee is represented by
Marty Harper
, who has represented both the
Addington class representatives and Leonidas LLC for the
last 6 years and Jeffrey Freund (and his colleagues at
Bredhoff & Kaiser, PLLC),
who represented the old
America West Merger Committee inthe America West/US
Airways SLI proceeding as well AWAPPA and, more recently,
Leonidas LLC.

I include this information so there is no question about
the bona fides
of the West Merger Committee or its ability to effectively represent the interests of the West Pilots collectively."
 
america west pilot SLI committee. 
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/APA_Pres-Wilson.pdf
 
Just watched yesterday's PHX crew news video, starring Scott Kirby.  There will be no bidding allowed for PHX pilots to any other crew base, whether it be CLT, DCA, PHL, or any LAA base, until the new Flight Operating System (FOS) is in place.  This will be no earlier than September 2016.  Also, East pilots will only be able to bid within the East bases, and legacy AA pilots will only be able to bid within their own system.  This is basically another 1 year fence for all three pilot groups, regardless of the outcome of the SLI arbitration. Going nowhere fast, again!
 
westcoastflyer said:
Just watched yesterday's PHX crew news video, starring Scott Kirby.  There will be no bidding allowed for PHX pilots to any other crew base, whether it be CLT, DCA, PHL, or any LAA base, until the new Flight Operating System (FOS) is in place.  This will be no earlier than September 2016.  Also, East pilots will only be able to bid within the East bases, and legacy AA pilots will only be able to bid within their own system.  This is basically another 1 year fence for all three pilot groups, regardless of the outcome of the SLI arbitration. Going nowhere fast, again!
This is a very optimistic date. Most likely will be Sept 17. Possibly 2018 or as the company sees fit to alter integration to suit their needs.
Please make sure the FISHBOWL stays clean. east pilots and LAA pilots will capture enormous rates of attrition in the meantime.
Your thoughts and response former PHX rep?
 
westcoastflyer said:
Just watched yesterday's PHX crew news video, starring Scott Kirby.  There will be no bidding allowed for PHX pilots to any other crew base, whether it be CLT, DCA, PHL, or any LAA base, until the new Flight Operating System (FOS) is in place.  This will be no earlier than September 2016.  Also, East pilots will only be able to bid within the East bases, and legacy AA pilots will only be able to bid within their own system.  This is basically another 1 year fence for all three pilot groups, regardless of the outcome of the SLI arbitration. Going nowhere fast, again!
According to Nic4US, there was to be a massive bump of east pilots. Cactusboy53 swore he would be a PHL captain last month. Prechillil was assuring us she would be a CLT 330 capt.
Your thoughts aforementioned west pilots?
 
Who is the guy wearing a white shirt with neon orange lettering, sitting right in the front at the feet of Skooter?   He looks very familiar.  I think I have seen him at other bases.  Is he a Skooter groupie?  
 
Did his shirt have batteries?  
 
When he eventually gets to bid out of PHX, will he travel back there for the crew news? 
 
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US Airways Captain Steve Gay graciously hosted Keyword onsite at the US Airways hangar in Phoenix, home to the airlines headquarters, for an inside look at his life since PwC.
The direction always seemed clear for Steve Gay: He wanted to be a pilot. As a little boy, he had plenty of time to dream about flying while aboard Pan Americans 707 Clipper jets from Houston to São Paulo, where his dad was an audit partner, a member of the International Audit Standards Committee, and briefly, the office managing partner for Price Waterhouse. Gay and his siblings called São Paulo home until he came back to the US for college. In 1975, at age 18, Gay took a step closer to his boyhood dreams of taking flight, enrolling at the Embry- Riddle Aeronautical University, in a four-year aviation management program. He soon discovered that with the economy in the doldrums and so many Vietnam-era pilots working in the airline industry, the profession had reached a saturation point.

The word was that unless you had flown enough hours to reach the moon, you were most likely not going to get hired, says Gay. Discouraged, but not defeated, he finished his first year of flight school and enrolled at the University of Texas at Austin to study accounting like his father. After graduating from UT in 1979, he took a position with Price Waterhouse in Houston. He made it through two busy seasons, one in tax and one in audit, but still felt the pull of his real passion, aviation. He left Price Waterhouse to work in the dealer finance department at Beechcraft. Beechcraft allowed Gay to take its small, single-engine aircraft on his dealer visits, giving him the chance to fly regularly. After two more years, he concluded that finance and accounting just werent for him. If you dont have the passion for something, you can never be truly great at it, he says.

Still not settled into the cockpit, Gay began a career in computer sales in Houston, while continuing to fly a few times a year for pleasure. One evening he had a chance conversation with a Continental Airlines pilot at a party. Gay started talking about how hed always wanted to be a pilot but felt that he couldnt command a commercial jet because of obstacles like his age and the fact that he wore glasses. Midway through, the Continental pilot stopped him. Gay recalls, He said, The rules have changed. Theres no age restriction, you no longer have to have uncorrected 20/20 vision, and theyre hiring lots of civilian- trained pilots. You can fly now.

I just thought to myself, if I wanted to make a go of this, I would have to give it 100%.
Steve Gay

Two days later Gay was enrolled at a local flight school in Houston to obtain the training to complete his FAA commercial and flight instructor certificates. Waving his hands for emphasis, Gay asserts, If the door is cracked, even in the slightest, you have to try to push it open. He used his lucrative computer sales job to pay for flying lessons and attended aviation school on nights and weekends. Any available time, I was in the air adding to my hours, he says. Eventually at a crossroads, Gay remembers, I just thought to myself, if I wanted to make a go of this, I would have to give it 100%. In 1989, he quit his sales job and became a full-time flight instructor at Houstons Hobby Airport. At the time, that was the best way for me to build hours and take the next step to become a regional airline pilot, says Gay. In April 1994, he landed a job with the regional carrier Mesa Air. I flew a Beechcraft 1900, a 19-passenger, twinengine turboprop airplane, with no flight attendant. Gay soon upgraded to another stepping-stone aircraft, flying the 30-passenger Embraer E-120 Brasilia, a transport-category turboprop with one flight attendant. In 1997, he was hired at America West Airlines. Gay moved to Phoenix permanently when he was promoted to captain in 2004. As it turned out, I was lucky to hit all the gates at the right time, I got hired at Mesa, quickly became a captain there and was hired at America West right when they were starting their expansion after bankruptcy. In 2005, America West bought US Airways Group and adopted the US Airways name.

Office with a view
Office with a view:
One of Gays photographs featuring the rugged Sierra Nevada mountains.
Moving to a major airline also meant moving up to the Airbus aircraft. Gay says, Between the regional airplanes and the commercial Airbusmy preference, and I can assure you, most every pilots goalis to fly a large jet like the Airbus. From a pilots perspective, the Airbus has a spacious cockpit with glass displays and other modern cockpit technology such as GPS and terrain avoidance systems, along with generous windows to take in the views. The Airbus has joysticks instead of the bulkier U-shaped yoke, and they free up a lot of space in front of the pilot. The system is called fly-by-wire, and the joysticks are basically computer interfaces that send signals to hydraulic surfaces to control the airplane, says Gay. The Airbus A319, A320 and A321 all have almost identical cockpits a real luxury for pilots. The airline saves on training and maintenance costs as well.

Gay is looking forward to a few things that bode well for the aviation industry. One is more fuel-efficient aircraft. Lighter airplanes with new materials such as carbon fiber will use less fuel and fly with fewer emissions. The Boeing 787 is a good example of an airplane using composite materials. Its expected to use about 20% less fuel than similar airplanes, says Gay. Also topping his list is quieter aircraft for passengers and people on the ground, a result of better cabin technology and increasingly sophisticated next-generation engines.

No matter which aircraft hes flying, Gay calls the Southern California trio, starting with Burbank and Orange County, his favorite airports to fly into. A lot of pilots love these airportstheir short runways give you the feeling you might have as a Navy pilot, because you need to plant the aircraft down firmly and really get on the brakes. There is a lot of radio traffic, and it can get intense. When they bring you in, they often slam dunk you down to the runway. That means air traffic control keeps airplanes high over the hills for terrain clearance. Once pilots have a clear visual on the airport, they use speed brakes and lower the flaps and gear in quick succession to get down fast. San Diego completes the trio. San Diego is special because just before landing you see downtown on your left. At that point during the approach, youre at eye level with the citys tall buildingsits just gorgeous.

Steve Gay
Captain Steve Gay discusses the unique journey that took him from audit to aviation.
In addition to these three airports, California boasts interesting landmarks such as the Sierra Nevada mountains and Yosemites Half Dome, but Gay says his favorite is undoubtedly the Grand Canyon.

Occasionally traffic is light so we can do a wide sweep over the canyon to give the passengers a really good view. Its a real treat for us up in the cockpit and for them, says Gay. Sunset is his ideal time to be up in the air, Flying west you get superb views of the sun as it sets among the clouds. Flying east with the sun setting behind the airplane, you can actually see the curvature of the airplane from the shadow the Earth throws. Gay stops his sentence short to clarify, Look, I love it all. I just love flying.

From capturing the blue haze over the hills of the LA Basin to the snowcovered top of Mt. Rainier, Gay has also combined his passion for flying with his passion for photography, which he honed during college when he attended a six-week summer intensive at the San Francisco Art Institute. Studying with some of the nations leading practitioners changed his photography forever. Gay uses digital cameras to capture the beautiful views. Hes quick to point out that any photos are taken at well above 10,000 feet. He explains pilots strict sterile cockpit rule that demands no non-essential conversation or activities in the cockpit during the critical phases of flight below 10,000 feet. I can attest that a pilots focus has to be laser-like during that period, which includes taxi, takeoff and landing. This is also why passengers are asked to turn off any electronic device that has an on/ off button. That request is only during the sterile phase of flight where we would never take the chance that someones electronic device would interfere with our instruments in the cockpit.

If the non-stop smile on Gays face is not enough proof, Keyword had to ask, Do you get the same thrill flying today as you did when you were 18 years old? Gay answers with a resounding, Ab-so-lute-ly. Truly, it never gets old. I love coming to work; I like greeting the passengers. I still relish showing that wide-eyed kid the cockpit before or after the flight to get a glimpse of the controls, because I was once that kid. I usually give them one of my cockpit photo greeting cards to remember the flight and maybe help fuel the engine for the next generation of pilots. I think its a fantastic career for anybody who loves to fly.

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westcoastflyer said:
Just watched yesterday's PHX crew news video, starring Scott Kirby.  There will be no bidding allowed for PHX pilots to any other crew base, whether it be CLT, DCA, PHL, or any LAA base, until the new Flight Operating System (FOS) is in place.  This will be no earlier than September 2016.  Also, East pilots will only be able to bid within the East bases, and legacy AA pilots will only be able to bid within their own system.  This is basically another 1 year fence for all three pilot groups, regardless of the outcome of the SLI arbitration. Going nowhere fast, again!


Guess your going to need a bigger fishbowl !,
 
Claxon said:
This is a very optimistic date. Most likely will be Sept 17. Possibly 2018 or as the company sees fit to alter integration to suit their needs.
Please make sure the FISHBOWL stays clean. east pilots and LAA pilots will capture enormous rates of attrition in the meantime.
Your thoughts and response former PHX rep?
Ask Simmons Wye they turned down the NIC...........what a huge mistake, all because of greed and arrogance.




Big smiles Dave.......






You should have listened to Dave Blomgren and the U-turn group..........they were spot on!





Where is Spinthis to tell us what a big victory this is for the west.............YOU WERE WARNED AND FAILED TO LISTEN!




"According to our reports, on Day One of Wye River, Jeff Freund warned the West MEC that if USAPA won, the West risked losing everything. He urged reaching an agreement. He was gone on Day Two"




"Our former MEC and our union leadership played a very high stakes game of poker by not dealing at Wye River. Freund was right, we were risking everything..and right now, it looks like we lost. They need to take responsibility for that."

U-Turn



Dave, your thoughts please, sir.
 
"Its time to take a good look in the rear-view mirror. If we had a single contract in place, the NIC would also be in place. Sure, we would probably still have USAPA. But long before the East removed ALPA, we would have been operating under a single contract, with the Nicolau seniority list in place. Next time you go to a training center brown bag lunch, before you go after the company and the East, keep in mind how close we were to a TA prior to the NIC. We did it to ourselves, guys."

Dave Blomgren, for the U-Turn




"WE DID THIS TO OURSELVES GUYS"....................









"The U-Turn Wye River: ALPA's Last Stand Back to Wye River. Did West Merger Attorney and West MEC advisor Jeff Freund really walk out of talks because the MEC refused to give on the NIC or did West MC Chairman Ken Stravers chase him out?"



"We at U-Turn cant hold the West MEC entirely responsible for what we believe was bad information that led to their decision."
 
I thought Kirby was supposed to announce the Nic is effective on the next bid... Isn' that what Nic4us said after the 9th ruling?    Maybe the Neon Shirt Man up front distracted Kirby and he forgot...  
 
, our MEC ended up getting 175 West pilots furloughed, because they refused to negotiate and THEY TURNED DOWN THE OFFER!

From what we’ve been told, Jeff Freund left the Wye River conference out of frustration over our MEC’s refusal to negotiate a compromise. Our MEC says they held the line. If failure to negotiate, causing 175 furloughs, is holding the line, great job, guys. The East MEC made an offer that would have prevented Dave O’Dell from being furloughed. You turned it down.


So, if you still think our MEC were heroes at Wye River, tell that to our bottom 175 pilots. All we can say is when you update your resume’, just remember who didn’t “SAVE DAVE.”
 
Claxon said:
No matter which aircraft hes flying, Gay calls the Southern California trio, starting with Burbank and Orange County, his favorite airports to fly into. A lot of pilots love these airportstheir short runways give you the feeling you might have as a Navy pilot, because you need to plant the aircraft down firmly and really get on the brakes. There is a lot of radio traffic, and it can get intense.
 
The boy is completely bonkers.
 
Claxon said:
Steve Gay
 
In 1975, at age 18, Gay took a step closer to his boyhood dreams of taking flight, enrolling at the Embry- Riddle Aeronautical University, in a four-year aviation management program. He soon discovered that with the economy in the doldrums and so many Vietnam-era pilots working in the airline industry, the profession had reached a saturation point.

The word was that unless you had flown enough hours to reach the moon, you were most likely not going to get hired, says Gay. Discouraged, but not defeated, he finished his first year of flight school and enrolled at the University of Texas at Austin to study accounting like his father.
 
None of this stopped the rest of us.  What a candy ass.
 
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