2015 Pilot Discussion.

[cactusboy53]

Yea, APA is not to happy with these west scabs..............they are catching on.
"One of the four Leonidas LLC directors is apparently now employed as an American Airlines pilot;\
Having Kevin Horner associated in any way with this DFR only hurts the effort. How can he adequately meet the fiduciary requirements to fairly represent the class? Our sources have told us that Kevin Horners current union, the APA, is furious with him for his participation in a DFR suit against another union."
Sounds like there might be a counter suit coming..........long overdo.

Holy cow....a LIAR & an IDIOT. You should probably go back and reread the cactuspilot website ENTIRELY before you open your cake hole.

 

[Claxon]

Holy cow....a LIAR & an IDIOT. You should probably go back and reread the cactuspilot website ENTIRELY before you open your cake hole.

You, in the very near future when the BOA renders their decision, will no longer be able to post your way to respect and acceptance by your peers in the PHX domicile.

 

[Phoenix]

Holy cow....a LIAR & an IDIOT. You should probably go back and reread the cactuspilot website ENTIRELY before you open your cake hole.

 
 
I notice the Cactuspilt website has some intriguing reads... for one, it is the only place anywhere in the world that one kind find a copy (and implicit acceptance) of the revised, unofficial Nicolau Award.  
 
The entertainment on Cactuspilot is free, unless of course one is a West pilot (in which case one will feel an overwhelming sense of guilt, sufficient to buy a $675 tie).  

 

[cactusboy53]

You, in the very near future when the BOA renders their decision, will no longer be able to post your way to respect and acceptance by your peers in the PHX domicile.

 
Shakin' in my boots, Clax.  Did you tattle & cry to your reps?  The only restricion here on airlineforums.com is this:
 
"You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use the AirlineForums.com Message Boards to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of any law. You agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or by AirlineForums.com."
 
My posts usually contain quotes from arbitrators, judges, legal counsel that espouse my legal POV, and Mike Cleary's POV about final & binding arbitration.  Other than that, my posts call you, Johnny Boy, Michael and others out on your falsehoods and badly skewed POV's.  Further calling "you'se" guys out on your inability to abide by your word vis-à-vis your collective bargaining agent's agreed upon participation in the SLI process of AWA & AAA.
 
Now IF this subject comes up at a BOD meeting, be prepared to reveal your identitiy.  Any accusation will come with the abiltiy of the accused to face thier accuser.  Otherwise it's just desperate crying.  BTW, I did a quick search in the APA Constitution & Bylaws and APA Governance manuals.  There was no "ping" on the words "forum", "forums", or "defamitory".

 

[FL430]

I'd quit while you are behind.
Come to the Arizona high country try your luck with the bears, moutain lions. Dress warm, snow level is at 8000 ft right now, city slicker. You don't know a thing about what you are talking about. You probably think that Native Americans live in tepees.

Ok, you continue to hunt in Az all you want. I'll stick with Illinois , Montana, and Alaska.
With every post you continue to show your lack of intelligence. And you can flounder about all you like in your fishbowl. Blowfish 😉

 

[Claxon]

Shakin' in my boots, Clax.  Did you tattle & cry to your reps?  The only restricion here on airlineforums.com is this:
 
"You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use the AirlineForums.com Message Boards to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of any law. You agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or by AirlineForums.com."
 
My posts usually contain quotes from arbitrators, judges, legal counsel that espouse my legal POV, and Mike Cleary's POV about final & binding arbitration.  Other than that, my posts call you, Johnny Boy, Michael and others out on your falsehoods and badly skewed POV's.  Further calling "you'se" guys out on your inability to abide by your word vis-à-vis your collective bargaining agent's agreed upon participation in the SLI process of AWA & AAA.
 
Now IF this subject comes up at a BOD meeting, be prepared to reveal your identitiy.  Any accusation will come with the abiltiy of the accused to face thier accuser.  Otherwise it's just desperate crying.  BTW, I did a quick search in the APA Constitution & Bylaws and APA Governance manuals.  There was no "ping" on the words "forum", "forums", or "defamitory".

Is this what got your pal Cleardirect launched?

 

[Claxon]

Shakin' in my boots, Clax.  Did you tattle & cry to your reps?  The only restricion here on airlineforums.com is this:
 
"You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use the AirlineForums.com Message Boards to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of any law. You agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or by AirlineForums.com."
 
My posts usually contain quotes from arbitrators, judges, legal counsel that espouse my legal POV, and Mike Cleary's POV about final & binding arbitration.  Other than that, my posts call you, Johnny Boy, Michael and others out on your falsehoods and badly skewed POV's.  Further calling "you'se" guys out on your inability to abide by your word vis-à-vis your collective bargaining agent's agreed upon participation in the SLI process of AWA & AAA.
 
Now IF this subject comes up at a BOD meeting, be prepared to reveal your identitiy.  Any accusation will come with the abiltiy of the accused to face thier accuser.  Otherwise it's just desperate crying.  BTW, I did a quick search in the APA Constitution & Bylaws and APA Governance manuals.  There was no "ping" on the words "forum", "forums", or "defamitory".

You have mislead your fellow PHX pilots for years. Unfortunately, a lot of college and retirement monies went up in smoke due to your ignorance.

 

[cactusboy53]

You have mislead your fellow PHX pilots for years. Unfortunately, a lot of college and retirement monies went up in smoke due to your ignorance.

 
 
According to American Airlines VP Paul D. Jones (in a court declaration), those statements are LIES.
 
[SIZE=12pt]“Actually, it is USAPA that is needlessly delaying the resolution of the seniority dispute and jeopardizing the enforceability of the agreement the parties are able to reach. …….The arbitrator’s decision was to be final and binding on both pilot groups and was to be accepted by the Company so long as certain conditions were met.  The Nicolau Award has resulted in four years of litigation including a trial in federal court and jury verdict fining USAPA’s proposal for a non-Nicolau list to constitute an unlawful breach of the union’s duty of fair representation….”[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Paul D. Jones; Vice President – Legal Affairs and Chief Compliance Officer[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Exhibit 1 of  Declaration of Counsel; Case 13-15000, 02/20/2013[/SIZE]

 

[EastCheats]

Form the Jeremiah Johnson wanna b.

 
Speaking for yourself?
 

Ok, you continue to hunt in Az all you want. I'll stick with Illinois , Montana, and Alaska.
With every post you continue to show your lack of intelligence. And you can flounder about all you like in your fishbowl. Blowfish 😉

 
What is there to hunt in Illinois besides a win? 😉
 
 
 
 

 

 

[EastUS1]

"I'm still a bit unclear about how wearing a "liberty" tie, proudly "designed by the Army of Leonidas" for the sole purpose of funding some corporate seniority squabble magically makes anyone a supposed "patriot".  It might help if some mighty "spartan soldier" would kindly take the time to explain that to us all....?"
 
Before you get all too much "macho" and excessively puffed up little "spartan" child; please DO tell us all more about your personal Service to our Nation, "liberty" tie "patriot", or at least mighty elk hunting experiences...especially the part about the elks ever shooting back?

Oh, you mean negotiating away from the product of an agreed upon process with the other party that cried "it's not fair! "?? Sorry Michael, we don't negotiate with cheats & liars.

 
No worries little boy. Over the course of decades of life; even some of us "cheats and liars" have learned to not take personal offense at the mewlings of infants. As always; good luck with all your sadly needed childish fantasies, mighty "spartan"....and thanks for the always dependable laughs here. 😉
 
I would though, seriously suggest even some slight efforts at gaining a viable education. Negotiation of any kind necessarily requires the parties involved to be at least somewhat cross purposes to begin with. Holding aloft an infantile (but of course "righteous") standard avails no one anything in such a process....Witness your past full decade of "righteous" glee that's strangely been entirely confined to PHX/"sparta", as have "you'se"....I'd again offer the kindly suggestion to someday at least consider actually growing up, but what would even nowadays be the point?

 

[EastUS1]

 
[SIZE=12pt]“Actually, it is USAPA that is needlessly delaying the resolution of the seniority dispute ....[/SIZE]
 

 
Well, given that you're evidently a full-blown Strategos of mighty "sparta": How's all that "needlessly delaying" actually worked out for "you'se"? 😉 One would have to imagine that with all those ties/T-shirts/etc that "you'se" would/should have had your way long ago...? Unless of course you were/are just complete fools without the slightest grasp of actual reality...?
 
Umm...No matter really. Just give yourselves a few more "righteous" points to help "you'se" all feel better about yourselves. Aw heck; just "heroically" have your mighty "army" proudly design some new $675 ties...or at least offer a re-issue of "Integrity Matters" T-shirts or something...and thanks yet once more for all the laughs over the years here. 🙂
 
My best guess for the arbitration results is that the legacy American side will come out very much on top, that your nic fantasies will count for little to nothing, and that you'll pretty much be left licking the bottom of the "fishbowl" in PHX...and however "tragically"; no one's going to care a fig about your infantilely self-righteousness nonsense at all. I certanly could be wrong, but I've yet to see even the very first monument to "heroic spartans"/"knights"/"dire wolves"/whatever set up in any legacy American domicile...and none of the arbs have yet been seen sporting any "Integrity Matters" T-shirts even....Just sayin'....

 

[EastUS1]

 
Shakin' in my boots,

 
You honestly strike me as a person who's done a lot of that in life. Your predictable response will amount to nothing more substantive than your usual childish fantasies/nonsense. Maybe you should just stick to yet another "heroic" shout of "This is Sparta!" Before encountering the "AWA/spartan experience"; I must confess that I'd never before been able to even imagine supposedly "intelligent", much less "grown men" ever making the sorts of complete fools of themselves that "you'se" have.

 

[cactusboy53]

"I'm still a bit unclear about how wearing a "liberty" tie, proudly "designed by the Army of Leonidas" for the sole purpose of funding some corporate seniority squabble magically makes anyone a supposed "patriot".  It might help if some mighty "spartan soldier" would kindly take the time to explain that to us all....?"
 
Before you get all too much "macho" and excessively puffed up little "spartan" child; please DO tell us all more about your personal Service to our Nation, "liberty" tie "patriot", or at least mighty elk hunting experiences...especially the part about the elks ever shooting back?
 
No worries little boy. Over the course of decades of life; even some of us "cheats and liars" have learned to not take personal offense at the mewlings of infants. As always; good luck with all your sadly needed childish fantasies, mighty "spartan"....and thanks for the always dependable laughs here. 😉
 
I would though, seriously suggest even some slight efforts at gaining a viable education. Negotiation of any kind necessarily requires the parties involved to be at least somewhat cross purposes to begin with. Holding aloft an infantile (but of course "righteous") standard avails no one anything in such a process....Witness your past full decade of "righteous" glee that's strangely been entirely confined to PHX/"sparta", as have "you'se"....I'd again offer the kindly suggestion to someday at least consider actually growing up, but what would even nowadays be the point?

First Michael, it is NOT a "corporate seniority battle".  It WAS an attempted hostile take over by Steven Bradford, Mark King and the USAPA "van down by the river" gang that has failed its objective of date-of-hire.  Second, USAPA & it supporters forced the former AWA pilots to defend ourselves, while forcing us to pay dues to the "union" that was specifically set up to harm us:
 
From “A Conversation with an Attorney” - between Bradford &  Chris Katzenbach of Katzenbach and Khitikan, a labor law firm (Chris Katzenbach point):  “Don't give the other side a large body of evidence that the sole reason for the new union is to abrogate an arbitration, the Nicolau award, that in the opinions of most judges, should be allowed to stand due to no gross negligence or fraud.”
 
This in response to Bradford saying the following:  “I next specifically asked him about the formation of a new bargaining agent as an avenue of advance to get around this award…”
 
Thus being placed on the defensive, we were forced to PAY for our own defense (while also paying for your offense).
 
To be truthful, Michael, I find your posts defamitory, abusive and downright hateful.  We merely agreed to a process and the product of that process.  We have then been forced to defend that product from a larger body that refuses to be held to thier word.  Utterly and completely shameful.
 
Your nonsensical and taunting posts are those of a class-A "web board bully".

 
 

 

[nycbusdriver]

Dedicated to our NYC Bus Driver 😉

 
Ii am certain that there are some people in PHX that have still-live brain cells.  But none of the westholes here seem to possess even one....among the entire lot of you.

 

[CactusPilot1]

 
Ii am certain that there are some people in PHX that have still-live brain cells.  But none of the westholes here seem to possess even one....among the entire lot of you.

 
2100 miles is not far enough from the likes whiny ROYAL pains like yourself. GFY