2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Claxon]

I wonder how "peeaced off" you'll be after the next final & binding arbitration?

There are many reasons why you are in a PHX fishbowl.
 
Legal
 
Moral
 
Darwins theory.
 
Your west pilots legacy is trying to jump up to 17 years of seniority.
 
The East legacy is to not allow it.
 
No CBA, no nic award.  Quintessentialism. 

 

[Claxon]

Captain SULLENBERGER testimony regarding the fairness of the ill fated nic award;
 
Clint? 
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/attachments/category/34/Addington%20Transcripts%20Day%204.pdf

 

[EastUS1]

I wonder how "peeaced off" you'll be after the next final & binding arbitration?

 
Odds are very high that I'll never be personally afflicted with any childish fools like yourself in the cockpit. We've kept worthless punks like "yoiu'se" self from stealing the actually earned seniority of our east juniors for nearly nine years now. Why should I even possbily then be "peeaced off" in even the least bit?

 

[cactusboy53]

[SIZE=12pt]“…The Arbitration Board conducts an evidentiary hearing, with witnesses, evidence and a stenographic transcript. The Board’s Opinion and Award are to be issued simultaneously, within 150 days following the PID, unless both pilot groups and ALPA’s President agree to an extension. The Merger Policy provides, “The Award of the Arbitration Board shall be final and binding on all parties to the arbitration and shall be defended by ALPA.” No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts although some dissatisfied pilots have challenged the award before administrative agencies and the courts.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]US Airwaves June/July 2000[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]US Air Merger Committee Members: Todd Cardoza (PIT), Mike Cleary (BOS),Randy Mowery (PIT)[/SIZE]

 

[cactusboy53]

[SIZE=12pt]“In this instance, despite a year of negotiating efforts, there was no agreement on a list. Subsequently, the Representatives choose the Undersigned as Board Chairman and opted for the Med-Arb process. Those mediation efforts, held over the course of five days in October 2006, were similarly unsuccessful. Thereafter, the Parties agreed on the arbitration ground rules, and, pursuant to the Policy, each chose a Pilot Neutral from ALPA's Pilot Neutral Master List as a nonvoting member of the Arbitration Board.”[/SIZE]
                 
[SIZE=12pt]George Nicolau, Mediator[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]AWA/AAA Opinion & Award; May 07, 2007[/SIZE]

 

[cactusboy53]

[SIZE=12pt]“An impartial arbitrator’s decision regarding an appropriate method of seniority integration is powerful evidence of a fair result. Discarding the Nicolau Award places USAPA on dangerous ground.”[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Judge Roslyn O. Silver, Chief United States District Judge[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]No. CV-10-01570-PHX-ROS ORDER; October 11, 2012[/SIZE]

 

[cactusboy53]

[SIZE=12pt]“….The Court’s patience with USAPA has run out.  USAPA avoided liability on the DFR claim by the slimmest of margins and the Court has serious doubts that USAPA will fairly and adequately represent all of its members while it remains a certified representative.  But all the Court can do at this stage is implore USAPA to, in the words of CAB, “make every effort to see that [the West Pilots’] are given extensive consideration, and that their interests are fairly and fully represented” during seniority integration…”[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Judge Roslyn O. Silver, Chief United States District Judge[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Case 2:13-cv-00471-ROS   Document 298   Filed 01/10/14[/SIZE]

 

[cactusboy53]

[SIZE=12pt]“Actually, it is USAPA that is needlessly delaying the resolution of the seniority dispute and jeopardizing the enforceability of the agreement the parties are able to reach. …….The arbitrator’s decision was to be final and binding on both pilot groups and was to be accepted by the Company so long as certain conditions were met.  The Nicolau Award has resulted in four years of litigation including a trial in federal court and jury verdict fining USAPA’s proposal for a non-Nicolau list to constitute an unlawful breach of the union’s duty of fair representation….”[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Paul D. Jones; Vice President – Legal Affairs and Chief Compliance Officer[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Exhibit 1 of  Declaration of Counsel; Case 13-15000, 02/20/2013[/SIZE]

 

[cactusboy53]

[SIZE=12pt]In the matter of: Preliminary Arbitration Board APA/USAPA/AA (December 17, 2014)[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]ARBITRATOR JAVITS: All three lists. I guess the gravamen of the questions is are you then putting yourself in the place of Nicolau, are you the new Nicolau because you are proposing a list which may not reflect Nicolau's list? ….. And American pilots. And, therefore, you're making a proposal, which may be different than what Nicolau had in mind and issued back in '07.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]MR. FREUND (in closing):As the Chairman put it so nicely in his questioning of Jess Pauley, what the US -- what the East Committee, the US Airways Committee, the USAPA Committee, call it what you want, what it wants to do is to put itself in the place of George Nicolau and redo what George did in 2007[/SIZE]

 

[cactusboy53]

[SIZE=12pt]From a letter sent by Doug Parker:[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]“We have determined that the list submitted meets these criteria, so the company will accept the submitted list.”[/SIZE]

 

[cactusboy53]

 
WTF, you moron.  Next spring I will be almost out the door thankfully without ever having to fly with any of you DBs.  Over the course of my career, I will have easily earned at least twice what your career with your in-the-gutter AWA will bring you.
 
If I were still paying ALPA dues, I would be living with the Nicolau.  That was where the bond lay; I have no compunction about USAPA using the laws to get the east pilots where they are.  Part of that bond was the ALPA merger policy which was summarily ignored, yet you sleaze bags were willing to bet it all to just the queue.  Just because you and your new-hire leadership got legally outmaneuvered by USAPA don't come crying to me about it.

On LOA93? Yea, that post didn't sound stupid at all.

 

[EastUS1]

On LOA93? Yea, that post didn't sound stupid at all.

 
Actually? Any of "you'se" references to the now defunct LOA93 do seem at least a little bit stupid son.
 
We all understand that you're hoping for another arbitration result that would mimic the nic and magically enshrine AWA above all others, but hope's all you've got. Everything else you have to offer's nothing more than bombast and BS.
 
Perhaps by way of "spiritual" sustenance you should consider filling your garage with AWAsome BMW cars, or at least buying some equally worthless Beechcraft...Just sayin'...

 

[Phoenix]

98% can nullify anything in preference for anything new. Always.

Seniority is ALWAYS a contrac issue. Nobody ever breaks contracts.

 

[EastUS1]

98% can nullify anything in preference for anything new. Always.

Seniority is ALWAYS a contrac issue. Nobody ever breaks contracts.

 
Sigh!...Behave yourself brother! You've dropped to the level of doing both that logic and legal thing. You DO realize that you're dealing with (amazingly) supposed "adults" that can yet fantasize themselves as "soldiers' in some imaginary "army"?.."Patriots" purely by way of purchasing idiotic ties, and even "battle" tested "knights"/"dire wolves"/etc? 😉

 

[EastUS1]

Pound sand, Michael.

 
 
BTW: An admittedly, perhaps even equally adolscent moment here, but; given the nature of an 8 years+ now open flying wager....Has anyone ever mentioned to "you'se" just what a hopelessly chickenshit little wimp you really are, only laughably supposed "pilot"?
 
I know, I know = "This is Sparta!...Where's the nearest lawyer/arbitrator to step up and 'fight'/FLY for me? Waah!...I want my mommy!" 😉
 
Zero concerns whatsoever that would ever even be offered anything more than a childishly smarmy "spartan" response these days. "You'se" are of course welcome to prove me wrong....?