2015 Pilot Discussion.

[EastUS1]

It's really easy going after these guys. Ucrapa attracted the worst of the worst, zero integrity, criminally minded low-life's. Just look look at how these junior mobsters treat their fellow East pilots who speak up.

 
That's nothing. "You'se" should see what we do to helpless puppies and newborn kittens...well, only when time permits during breaks between burning orphanages and kidnapping bus loads of nuns, of course.
 
Grow Up.

 

[CactusPilot1]

DS and the temper tantrum BPR reps of PHX to start.

I'd start with these proud Lubitz's with the founding of USAPA and their cardboard foundation of thinking that they owed the Duty of Fair Representation only to East pilots.

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[EastUS1]

Last I checked, TWA pilots were not a part of the Nicolau arbitration.

 
Oh! No worries for you then, but, umm..wasn't it the very same APA (that you now perversely fantasize as somehow being allied with you) that stomped and ground the TWA minority under their feet? Sigh!...No doubt that here though, you'll be treated with nothing but kindness and all will eagerly embrace the nic everywhere.
 
As always; good luck with your fantasies, and thanks again for the dependable daily chuckles.

 

[CactusPilot1]

That's nothing. "You'se" should see what we do to helpless puppies and newborn kittens...well, only when time permits during breaks between burning orphanages and kidnapping bus loads of nuns, of course.
 
Grow Up.

You are the one saying grow up? Lead by example.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Well said! He seems to be having a hard time adjusting to retirement and can't let go.

 
He's BoeingBoy redux.  At least BB finally faced the reality of being retired, and is hopefully enjoying the leisure afforded him.
 
I will kiss goodbye forever any posting on this pilot thread starting on my 65 birthday because on that day my input becomes entirely irrelevant.  Meantime, I still have my one vote, and a voice entitled to be heard because I pay dues.

 

[Metroyet]

It's really easy going after these guys. Ucrapa attracted the worst of the worst, zero integrity, criminally minded low-life's. Just look look at how these junior mobsters treat their fellow East pilots who speak up.

You got that right. I knew plenty of East guys. Only one total Scumbag among them worked hard for the Fake FBA. The others were good guys but let their greed trump their willingness to speak up. Of course, The well documented threats made against those that refused to tow the hardliner east line, Probably had something to do with it.

 

[EastUS1]

You are the one saying grow up? Lead by example.

 
"I must reasonably take severe exception to that, in that none of "their" (a small percentage) absurdly childish antics in ANY way, shape or form even remotely suggest the slightest reasonable comparison with sucidially insane, murderous sociopaths that care nothing for the lives of others. The arrested development needed to fantasize a supposed "Army" is of some concern, though mostly a harmless source of curiosity and derisive laughter, but I've met enough west pilots who, if commanding an aircraft, I'd cheerfully place my loved ones aboard their plane.
 
Should that seem at all cross-threaded; I'll again note that my rantings here are always and exclusively aimed at at least hopefully disabusing some their "knights" and "dire wolves" of their adolescent fantasies...and confessedly; for some continuing chuckles. Said "knights"etc, not being a universal illness within the PHX pilots as a whole."
 
Good enough kid? Can I have an "Integrity Matters" T-shirt now?
 
Again: Grow Up, and thanks for the laughs.

 

[CactusPilot1]

You got that right. I knew plenty of East guys. Only one total Scumbag among them worked hard for the Fake FBA. The others were good guys but let their greed trump their willingness to speak up. Of course, The well documented threats made against those that refused to tow the hardliner east line, Probably had something to do with it.

There are people who will always try to cheat the system, be underhanded and have no moral compass.

Exhibit 1....EastUS.

Too bad voices like his were louder than the reasonable voices that were drowned out on the East side.

 

[EastUS1]

CactusPilot1, on 29 Mar 2015 - 12:55 PM, said: It's really easy going after these guys. Ucrapa attracted the worst of the worst, zero integrity, criminally minded low-life's......

You got that right. I knew plenty of East guys.Only one total Scumbag among them worked hard for the Fake FBA. The others were good guys but let their greed trump their willingness to speak up. .......

 
"I knew plenty of East guys" Name so much as even two then....?
 
No matter. I'm curious here: How exactly does "the worst of the worst, zero integrity, criminally minded low-life's......" mesh well, in ANY logical sense, with "Only one total Scumbag among them worked hard for the Fake FBA. The others were good guys but let their greed trump their willingness to speak up."...?  How's it even possible for you to find any to have been "good guys" at all while agreeing/stating "You got that right" with "the worst of the worst, zero integrity, criminally minded low-life's."...?  For that matter; how's it possible for anyone to be a "good guy" if they allow personal greed to rule over any real principles? That last being purely rhetorical where "you'se" sorts are involved, of course.

 

[end_of_alpa]

I'd start with these proud Lubitz's with the founding of USAPA and their cardboard foundation of thinking that they owed the Duty of Fair Representation only to East pilots.

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And we're still here.

 

[EastUS1]

There are people who will always try to cheat the system, be underhanded and have no moral compass.

Exhibit 1....EastUS.

 
Expand on that by way of demonstrative examples son....? Whatcha' got?
 
Dismissed.

 

[luvthe9]

Unlike USCABA, and the complete idiots than ran and cheered for the failed scab FBA, the APA understands what a DFR is. Whatever happens in the arbitration is final and binding. All lawsuits will be DOA. Better start to embrace that concept. you idiots contemplated suing over the pre-arb.

The APA is aware of you and your little group of AFO's, They have been shown all your videos and aware of your anti Union antics.




One of the four Leonidas LLC directors is apparently now employed as an American Airlines pilot;\

Having Kevin Horner associated in any way with this DFR only hurts the effort. How can he adequately meet the fiduciary requirements to fairly represent the class? Our sources have told us that Kevin Horner’s current union, the APA, is furious with him for his participation in a DFR suit against another union.

 

[luvthe9]

I'd start with these proud Lubitz's with the founding of USAPA and their cardboard foundation of thinking that they owed the Duty of Fair Representation only to East pilots.

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Some fine looking professionals, Now should we put up all the YouTube videos from the crazy westies.

 

[luvthe9]

Who are the Lubitz's of the industry you speak? USAPA?

More like the little kids tying up phone lines, sending poop in the mail, cockpit windows left cracked open, shoe polish on shoulder harnesses and headset and falsifying log book entries.


AOL OWNS ALL THAT.

 

[CactusPilot1]

More like the little kids tying up phone lines, sending poop in the mail, cockpit windows left cracked open, shoe polish on shoulder harnesses and headset and falsifying lock book entries.
AOL OWNS ALL THAT.

Dismissed in court.

What is a lock book?


Fourth Circuit rules. WE WIN!!!!!
July 30, 2010
Download Final ruling 4th circuit

http://cactus18.typepad.com/the_cactus_18/2010/07/fourth-circuit-rules-we-win.html

David Braid's blog:

On May 30, 2008 a RICO law suit was filed against me and 23 other America West pilots by our new union Us Airline Pilots Association. After being dismissed from federal court with prejudice without even going to trial. The case was so poor the judge would not even let them try again. USAPA than filed an appeal in the Fourth Circuit court of Appeals in Richmond.
Today 26 months later we finally have our answer. The Fourth Circuit in a unanimous decision upheld or affirmed the district court. This is a tremendous win for all of the Cactus 18 today. Hopefully this will put an end to the vicious and unfounded attack that the leadership of USAPA has aimed our way. Unfortunately I fear that this case may not be over.
USAPA is under pressure to deliver a contract and after two years of telling the pilots that we were criminals and had done something wrong. After spending upwards of $300,000.00 of pilot dues money they have nothing to show for it.
This is the response that the Communications Chairman put out after their loss.
Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond Affirms Dismissal

Today the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Virginia, issued its ruling on USAPA's appeal of the dismissal of its lawsuit brought in 2008. USAPA filed the suit, alleging violations of the RICO Statute, against certain pilots who were alleged to be engaged in an overt attempt to deny all US Airways pilots their right to collectively bargain by attempting to destroy our union and performing other harmful and destructive acts to disrupt the unions ability to perform its representational responsibilities. The appeals court today affirmed the dismissal. Attorneys for the Association are reviewing the ruling presently for potential next steps.

Even after losing twice in two different courts in their own backyard these guys still can not admit they were wrong and let it go. The right thing to do would be to apologize and maybe even offer to pay our legal fees for this ordeal. But in typical fashion USAPA threatens to continue the attack and division.
Since this case went to appeal USAPA has been threatening to file in State court of North Carolina if we did not accept some lame settlement deal and admit quilt. It is extremely hard to admit guilt to something that none of us did. Now the courts support that truth, we did not engage in any RICO activity.
The Cactus 18 will have little choice but to defend ourselves again. But unlike last time when we had to educate our pilots on the evil that was being done and explain that we truly were innocent. This time we have the full support of the entire west pilot group and we are beginning to gather support from the east line pilot also. If the USAPA leadership decides to continue on this ill-advised campaign we will go on the offensive and counter sue.
Currently our lawyers are investigating the possibilities of legal action to recover our costs. But if USAPA decides to make the fatal mistake of filing any further legal action we will be forced to not only collect damages but punitive damages also.
A malicious intent law suit would cost this union and the people responsible a load of money.
To bring this journey to an end I want to thank the other Cactus 18 member and the AWAPPA guys. We all stuck together through some extremely critical decisions at any time any of us could have caved in to the pressure and taken a dangerous deal. But we all stuck together and rode out the storm. I would also like to thank my fellow west pilots that supported us during the case. Your words of encouragement and financial support were critical in our success. Also I would like to thank everyone that took the time to read this blog. Hopefully it explained what was going on with this case as it is difficult to do in a short amount of time.