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[N924PS]

I wonder why USEast spends just about every waking moment being the USAPA watchdog on here on USAviation.

He has only been a member since May 2007 and already has 1378 posts! My mere 860 posts in 4 years or so pales in comparison.

Could it be he is a USAPA committee member spreading his own version of USAPA FUD across the bandwidth?

Makes one wonder.....

 

[EastUS]

I wonder why USEast spends just about every waking moment being the USAPA watchdog on here on USAviation.

He has only been a member since May 2007 and already has 1378 posts! My mere 860 posts in 4 years or so pales in comparison.

Could it be he is a USAPA committee member spreading his own version of USAPA FUD across the bandwidth?

Makes one wonder.....

Wonder no more. I'm no USAPA committee member. What I "spread" are my own notions and thoughts. The "FUD" is more an Alpo specialty....which you seem well versed in 😉

"My mere 860 posts in 4 years or so pales in comparison" Perhaps, as seems presently the case....you haven't had much to say 😉

 

[Dog Wonder]

The fat cats want nothing better than people they steal from to fight themselves.

 

[end_of_alpa]

ALPA says if they give the east a major increase in pay and quality of life enough might vote YES to ratify a joint contract.

U-SAPs says if they give the west the shafting of their careers, enough might vote YES to ratify a joint contract

Who you gonna follow?

"US Airways wants to get a deal done but a deal that is competitive and economic. We made 500 million last year, the industry made 2 billion, the industries fixed and comes after four or five years of losing 50 billion, this industry is one fuel price spike, one terrorist event, one recession away from being right back in bankruptcies door...we're not going to do something that jeopardizes the financial future of the company. We're putting 122 million dollars on the table, a pretty big number, almost a 20 percent increase on pilots pay, I can guarantee you we don't have any other line item that we've offered to increase by 20 percent. The ask, the last time I say an ask by the union, BEFORE the Nicolau award, was 450 million. That would have represented about a 75 percent increase in pilot payroll costs. That's more than we could afford. That's more than we can do. "We're anxious to get back and start negotiating but if anyone thinks they can "buy off" the Nicolau award, we don't have enough money in the bank to do that."

Scott Kirby, 07 October 2007, AWA Pilot Training Class

 

[N924PS]

Wonder no more. I'm no USAPA committee member. What I "spread" is my own notions and thoughts. The "FUD" is more an Alpo specialty....which you seem well versed in 😉

"My mere 860 posts in 4 years or so pales in comparison" Perhaps, as seems presently the case....you haven't had much to say 😉

Nor have you. You simply require more words to say nothing.

 

[EastUS]

The fat cats want nothing better than people they steal from to fight themselves.

And..Alpo's provided them the "Perfect Storm" within the pilot work groups...I agree.

 

[EastUS]

Nor have you. You simply require more words to say nothing.

Carefull...that puts you up to at least 861 posts..people will start to "wonder"

 

[AWA320]

"That's fine furloughboy or is it girl? Pay me now or pay me later but pay you will! You see your stupid decision always seem to come back to haunt as will this one. What we should have done is let you clowns die off before you could do any more damage with your dieased thinking. Stupid is as stupid does there a chickenhawk??" I think it best to await the english translation on that.


Ummm..words fail me here. Check your medications is my most kindly suggestion :blink:

You've gallantly left out the parts where secret societies of anti-Alpo people skulked through the late night kidnapping family pets and children as hostages to make sure that enough signed their cards...which was tough, but necessary, since so many were/are truly and secretly in love with both Alpo and Nic......sheesh! 😉

"My money is on the NMB to make the right decision and find that you don't have enough VALID cards" You're covered, How much are you betting? Talk's cheap 😉

Your posts read like a Stephen King novel.

 

[AWA320]

Ok then. you take your upgrades out west and we will take ours out east. If the list was in effect the 22 east guy would never upgrade. I guess the merger policy didnt work after all.

Oh please hawkstress the only reasn you have a job much less any upgrades is because of and at the expense of us in the west. Enough already with your childishness.

 

[Phoenix]

Carefull...that puts you up to at least 861 posts..people will start to "wonder"

ROFLMAO. I am beginning to reconsider who it is that really has a corner on the "never ending source of amusement" market.

 

[EastUS]

ROFLMAO. I am beginning to reconsider who it is that really has a corner on the "never ending source of amusement" market.

Roger 😉 No sense in any of us holding a dour perspective constantly, even on the serious issues. Survival, love, adventure and grins.. or there's little point in the journey

Speaking of grins. AWA320...Is your "money" really up for backing your apparent wager that the NMB will invalidate the cards? 😉

PS: "Your posts read like a Stephen King novel" Many thanks...now..if I can just manage even a tiny portion of his commercial success...sigh. I've a title in mind already: "The Nic"..."It came forth from ancient evil...birthed in the bowels of the black, cavernous heart of Mt Alpo"...Ok, OK...It's just a work in progress...actually...a "process" 😉

 

[AAA73Pilot]

FYI:

Thank you for calling in, this is the USAPA phone message for Saturday, January 12th 2008.

Your USAPA volunteers continue their work to build the better union we all deserve. As mentioned in the previous phone message, we believe USAPA has become the only means by which the US Airways/America West merger can be completed. The process to which the current bargaining agent has obligated itself doesn’t bring an end to the impasse nor can it bring our two pilot groups together. The uncertainty we are mired in serves neither pilot group well.

A series of short videos from the Philadelphia road-show have been posted on the USAPA web site where a variety of issues are addressed by Interim President Stephen Bradford and USAPA counsel Lee Seham. We strongly encourage you to view these video clips.

In designing the USAPA committees, we took a long look at the functions in place and then distilled them into a seven-committee structure. These new committees combine related functions to insure responsiveness, efficiency, a free flow of information and vigorous contract defense.

In every instance, the key positions on each committee have already been filled with volunteers who are here only to serve pilots and the profession. At USAPA, there are no national offices to aspire to which ensures that the pilots who serve you are here for the right reasons. The experience and qualifications of the pilots who are staffing these committees is phenomenal and we thank them for stepping up.

Next week a billboard in Charlotte will sport a new USAPA look. The billboard is on the west side of the Billy Graham Parkway in Charlotte between I-85 and the employee lot turnoff.

In closing, we’d like to repeat the words of USAPA attorney Lee Seham where he said, “The intelligence, experience, and resources to manage a successful union already exist within the US Airways pilot group. Those who stridently deny this fact are, in our view, both denigrating their fellow pilots and engaging in fear tactics.â€￾

Thanks again for calling in and thank you for your continuing support.

 

[Cactus737]

Ok then. you take your upgrades out west and we will take ours out east. If the list was in effect the 22 east guy would never upgrade. I guess the merger policy didnt work after all.

That would be fine with me, I can hold what I want and I'm not moving. However, the growth I had coming to me went bye-bye with the merger, so compensate me for that and we're even.

 

[Cactus737]

Put the list together DOH, with protections for PHX and LAS and future upgrade conditions. If you want go East, get in line based on DOH and bid what it holds. You will go in front of people who were hired after you and fall in behind people hired before you and have the opportunity for China or wherever else your heart desires, provided you can hold it. Pretty simple.

Another simple concept is that people who brought jobs to the merger go ahead of those who didn't. (Hint: there are no E170's)

 

[exB717Flyer]

"A new CBA"? Based on..umm...what exactly? That the east will sign off on such as things stand?..

I'm talking about after ALPA wins the election.

I don't "blame" any AWA for not "fixing" anything, and where you get that idea's a mystery to me.

Maybe because everything the East has done since the arbitration award has been aimed at screwing the West.

That, with the advent of Nic/etc..the west feels full entitlement ...

You're right, we do feel entitled to Nicolau's decision. I guess this comes from the fact that your side is equally bound by it. Silly us, expecting you guys to follow the rules. You can spin and twist it all you like but it all boils down to a neutral arbitrator decided your demand for DOH/LOS was way out of line. Scapegoating ALPA is convenient and will ultimately benefit you naught.

"Right now your side is preventing contract talks but if USAPA wins it will be the West" We'll see over time.

Yes. I'm sure you've given a lot of thought as to how the West will react if USAPA wins and tries to take away our seniority to your benefit. You're so sure your numerical majority will prevail. As the saying goes, might doesn't make right.

"One must keep in mind this whole mess was started by the East thus the solution lays with them." Apparently,....at least according to your viewpoint.

No, not a viewpoint, but a fact. The East disputed the validity of Nicoau's decision, not us. Hence, the problem is YOU. You can't stop the nonsense at any point. Saying we're part of the problem since we're not giving in to you is specious.