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[CactusFlyr]

Or are the pilots' unions issues causing either airlines outright passing on LCC or being told by their own pilot's union that any merger with LCC would really screw up whatever positive union relationship they may currently have with pilots.

I knew this prior to merging with the OLD US Airways, poison in the well. Nuf Said, they know.

 

[hp_fa]

Lee Seham is not different than the firm of Cohen & Weiss. This is a billable hours bonanza.

All the attorneys involved are wanking over this case. This one is year upon year of billable hours on BOTH sides. All the while your wages stagnate and executive bonuses blossom.

Just wait and see what happens. All of you will come up short as a recession will coincide IMO with a Transition agreement and then the company will say "It's a Recesion We can't Afford Raises Now" and all your dues went to billable hours. Feeling Smart & Proud now aren't ya?

I predicted all of this, except the recession, a long time ago.

 

[oldcrow]

At the oldcrow breakfast table this morning the rumor is a USAPA leader got into a shoot-out yesterday over a land dispute.

http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellit...d=1173354213730

 

[Cactus737]

Lee Seham is not different than the firm of Cohen & Weiss. This is a billable hours bonanza.

If CWS has any interest in it, it's the defense of ALPA's Merger Policy (backed by ALPA money). But, we're not hiring CWS.

All the attorneys involved are wanking over this case. This one is year upon year of billable hours on BOTH sides. All the while your wages stagnate and executive bonuses blossom.

That's something the USAPs can't figure out. I guess they'd rather burn the place to the ground, which is why there weren't other airlines exactly falling over each other to acquire them. Sticking to the plan of BINDING ARBITRAITON and a joint contract last summer seems like a much better deal to me.

The USAPs don't leave the AWA pilots any other options really but to wage war with a vengence. I don't remember seeing a "negotiating" phase of USAPA merger policy.

In reality, the battle of the pocketbooks is only one of many that the USAPs are disadvantaged by. There are alot of things 1800 pilots can do to a new feeble organization other than sue it.

Just wait and see what happens. All of you will come up short as a recession will coincide IMO with a Transition agreement and then the company will say "It's a Recesion We can't Afford Raises Now" and all your dues went to billable hours. Feeling Smart & Proud now aren't ya?

I can't agree with you more. Do I feel smart and proud about having to go to war with USAPA? No. I think having a neutral third party decide seniority issues is smart.

 

[Cactus737]

Agreed. This is because unions in general and Airline Pilot unions in particular, have ALWAYS had this problem...price v. value. 2008 is most likely going to be the most TELLING year in Pilot Union History.

Delta is ramping up a full time strike committee with their own office. If any merger does not ADVANTAGE their pilots, they'll strike. Proverbiable "gun to the boards head", so to speak.

Uniteds new MEC Chairman is putting UNITED pilots first. Same tack as Delta.

NWA is silent....for now. However, NWA MEC are among the strongest, and most unified of ALL the union groups inside ALPA...bar none. Their understanding of unionism 101 is "striking"! (Pun intended, Silent admiration from me for them.)

And USAPA will be quite a match against those guys if we're in another merger (not).

 

[oldcrow]

Obviously some of them aren't afraid of a gunfight.

Supposedly "Wyatt Earp" is on the left side of the screen carrying the certified card box in the video.
http://www.dailymotion.com/ImpactCom/video...s-alpa_business

 

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And USAPA will be quite a match against those guys if we're in another merger (not).

We wern't even united under the ALPA banner. Guys fail to realize that with a national union without a standard it's AIRLINE/union, not UNION/airline the way it SHOULD be.

Delta pilots motto: "Delta is ready....when WE say so!" (remember to sing the old commercial jingle)

"Traditionally the Strike Preparedness Committee prepares for and, if necessary, can execute a strike against Delta Air Lines, in the event of failed negotiations under the Railway Labor Act. However, the committee has demonstrated that it is capable of reacting quickly and precisely to carry out short-notice operations in support of the Delta Master Executive Council (MEC), the governing body of the Delta pilots. The Strike Preparedness Committee has also organized picketing operations and supported massive lobbying efforts including those that helped successfully kill the US Airways hostile takeover attempt of Delta Air Lines.

Captain Moak added in his letter, “Conversely, the flexible nature of the committee will also allow your MEC to task them in support of a consolidation effort—but if and only if it is the right consolidation, a merger opportunity that provides the Delta pilots with the protections and equity we have communicated so clearly and unambiguously from the outset.â€￾

Delta pilots are putting the horse BEFORE the cart in this case, unlike MANAGEMENT putting us "ass"under without a plan!

 

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http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article...114101/0/NEWS15

Northwest CEO says merger might be necessary

"....Northwest must act before it is left with less than desirable alternatives.....Observers say mergers are a sticky proposition because of the difficulty of merging employee seniority lists."

Whipsawing and boundary lines are being drawn up as we speak. Hope your ready.

 

[EastUS]

The USAPs don't leave the AWA pilots any other options really but to wage war with a vengence.

That's not entirely true. You guys could just take the opportunity to spend some more "quality time" making more "adult sport's films" with your Alpo goat ..which is apparently indicative of west notions of how to "wage war" in any case. Cactus737: "There are alot of things 1800 pilots can do to a new feeble organization other than sue it". Yes...so I've noticed..and goats are fearfull everywhere....just what's possible with your group's behavior is horrific to even imagine 😉 BTW: Is the goat, as it's rumoured, truly a "member" of the "Concerned Pilots" commit-me?

Threaten away. I'd first suggest acquiring "weaponry" that exceeds farm animals, and you might wish to consider obtaining a "command staff" at least slightly brighter than the pathetic morons who pieced together that last masterpiece.

PS: Was/is the goat on Alpo flight pay loss?...Poor creature should get something for it's cinematic sacrifices 😉

 

[aquagreen73s]

That's not entirely true. You guys could just take the opportunity to spend some more "quality time" making more "adult sport's films" with your Alpo goat

Adult films? Goats? Dude, you're weird.

 

[EastUS]

Adult films? Goats? Dude, you're weird.

Check the linked video on this thread from your Alpo geniuses, first posted by Leonidas. "Dude"..you're clueless 😉

 

[CapnCockroach]

Adult films? Goats? Dude, you're weird.

Happy hour started early today.

 

[flyinawa]

Check the linked video on this thread from your Alpo geniuses, first posted by Leonidas. "Dude"..you're clueless 😉

Ok, point of fact....he's not really on any ALPA committee. Don't let his self-assigned title fool you. His intentions are good, but he's pretty far out on the fringe. I think the video is an example of what happens when a guy on reserve doesn't get called to fly for a long time. A little to much spare time on his hands. Not to say nobody else shares his sentiment. It's just that nobody else makes a film about it starring goats.

 

[EastUS]

Ok, point of fact....he's not really on any ALPA committee. Don't let his self-assigned title fool you. His intentions are good, but he's pretty far out on the fringe. I think the video is an example of what happens when a guy on reserve doesn't get called to fly for a long time. A little to much spare time on his hands. Not to say nobody else shares his sentiment. It's just that nobody else makes a film about it starring goats.

I can fully understand the sentiments, given our groups' respective positions. I'm just none too thrilled to see anyone representing supposedly professional pilots doing so in that fashion for internet/worldwide "appreciation". That kind of crap belittles all of us when such is tossed out for public viewing....and Lord knows that we can all sometimes appear foolish enough without any "help".

"he's not really on any ALPA committee." Surprising, that last, as he's clearly posessed of the intellectual and moral equipment needed for such...and he's even got a goat available for best advancing the Alpo "position"..whatever that truly is.

"His intentions are good"...Uhmmm...sure..We don't even know if the goat was of consenting age.....

OK then: Enough with the Alpo-supporting goats :blink:

 

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Ok, point of fact....he's not really on any ALPA committee. Don't let his self-assigned title fool you. His intentions are good, but he's pretty far out on the fringe. I think the video is an example of what happens when a guy on reserve doesn't get called to fly for a long time. A little to much spare time on his hands. Not to say nobody else shares his sentiment. It's just that nobody else makes a film about it starring goats.

Would you then say that he DOESN'T represent the "majority" of AWA posters in this forum? Or how about the "line pilot"?

DELETED BY MODERATOR--What did we say about making this personal??????

Just curious....