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[BoeingBoy]

Dinky Dau

A Vietnamese term translated by Americans to mean crazy.

 

[nostradamus]

I agree. Let's not use goats as pawns. But come on, quit calling ALPA Alpo. You really lower yourself when you do that and I'd like to think we're all above that. Sheesh.

Their is a poster that constantly refers to USAPA as U saps, where is your indignation of this person?

 

[nostradamus]

Did anybody on the East ever figure out what these two were hiding? http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...;pagewanted=all

"Both pilots were assailed on Friday by the safety board, an independent arm of Congress, and the Federal Aviation Admnistration for failing to make themselves available immediately for tests to determine if they had taken drugs or alcohol.

The results of toxicological tests on urine samples submitted by the pilots late Friday, nearly two days after the crash, were not expected for three weeks, Mr. Kolstad said. On the advice of their lawyers, the pilots had refused to submit blood samples for testing. The longer the delay in submitting to such tests, the less meaningful are the results. "

Anyone? Bueller?

They were given this advice by alpa. Nice try for a retort, but the facts remain, your ceo and pilots are proven drug runners and alcoholics.

 

[aquagreen73s]

They were given this advice by alpa. Nice try for a retort, but the facts remain, your ceo and pilots are proven drug runners and alcoholics.

Ahhh...I see...the classic "lawyer told me to do it even though I knew it was wrong to leave the scene of a FATAL accident" defense. Got it! 😉 That defense, by the way, is not an affirmative defense. Our legal system has more integrity than to recognize such an absurdity. You'll have to do better than that..a lot better.

Nevertheless, the question still remains: what were they hiding? Or I maybe you're suggesting that Hughes and Cloyd weren't as smart as your gang because the AWA guys didn't call 1-800-The-ALPA to get instructions on how to leave the scene. Is that it?

Maybe you should think twice before throwing stones in a glass house, eh?

 

[CapnCockroach]

dinky dau
to be crazy

"You dinky-dau GI!" Is a quote on the bottom of each of your posts. You are making fun of the hell that Vietnamese women were put through. You are better than them too?

That is just too funny.

 

[nostradamus]

Nevertheless, the question still remains: what were they hiding? Or I maybe you're suggesting that Hughes and Cloyd weren't as smart as your gang because the AWA guys didn't call 1-800-The-ALPA to get instructions on how to leave the scene. Is that it?

You guys are calling the alpa line so much now, no one can get through.

 

[nostradamus]

That is just too funny.

Vietnamese women forced into prostitution to survive, Yea, it's a real knee slapper for you is it not?

 

[Phoenix]

I'll leave any judgemental issues of what constitutes the summed thoughts of "the rational world" to each reader's discretion.

There you go again... thinking democratically.

Your eligibility for ALPOIDism is in jeopardy, dear sir. With an attitude like that I suppose you think ALPOIDS that are by all accounts attempting to subvert the CLT recall are in violation of their responsibilities to their electorate (as called for by ALPOIDism).

When asked how many CLT pilots exist according to ALPO (in order to establish the number required to force a recall LEC meeting) the ALPOIDs dutifuly responded that they would let the CLT pilots know if they had turned in a large enough number of petitions once the petitions are submitted. It is important to note that ALPOIDs have also declared that the gentleman being recalled is the one who will be delegated as the sole authority about the validity of all proxy ballots. How convenient... errr... how ALPO!

ALPO was opposed to a pension vote, a representational election, and now a CLT recall. If it were a PHL recall then I have no doubt that the election would have already occurred and there may have been more ballots submitted by proxy than there are pilots because ALPO would have retained sole authority to validate each proxy. 🙄

 

[aquagreen73s]

You guys are calling the alpa line so much now, no one can get through.

No....the Miami debacle was before the US Air acquisition, so that can't be it. What's interesting is how times have changed since 5050. Cloyd got five years in the pen which is interesting in light of that fact that nobody got so much as a scratch. Imagine what would happen if he had caused the deaths of two passengers and injured another 45, as was the case in LGA. What's great about Tom Cloyd is that he has stood up and taken responsibility for his actions and nobody can argue that that's not the mark of a good human being.

 

[EastUS]

There you go again... thinking democratically.

It's long been a personal failing 😉

As per the hideous and unthinkable accusations you make good sir?...Tsk, Tsk...seems that you've also long been paying attention

 

[nostradamus]

What's great about Tom Cloyd is that he has stood up and taken responsibility for his actions and nobody can argue that that's not the mark of a good human being.

"His next arrest for domestic violence against his then-wife in 1998 was also attributed to alcohol, though the charges were dropped after he attended an anger-management course."


He has as much respect for women as capn cockroach.

Tom Cloyd, auquagreens hero

 

[aquagreen73s]

"His next arrest for domestic violence against his then-wife in 1998 was also attributed to alcohol, though the charges were dropped after he attended an anger-management course."


He has as much respect for women as capn cockroach.

Tom Cloyd, auquagreens hero

But his failings have never killed anybody...

 

[dariencc]

What's great about Tom Cloyd is that he has stood up and taken responsibility for his actions and nobody can argue that that's not the mark of a good human being.

He's a convicted felon sitting in a Florida pen. Kind of hard for him to deny what happened.


With your weepy answer we at least know how you've been spending your afternoons.........watching Oprah. :blink:

 

[EastUS]

No....the Miami debacle was before the US Air acquisition, so that can't be it. What's interesting is how times have changed since 5050. Cloyd got five years in the pen which is interesting in light of that fact that nobody got so much as a scratch. Imagine what would happen if he had caused the deaths of two passengers and injured another 45, as was the case in LGA. What's great about Tom Cloyd is that he has stood up and taken responsibility for his actions and nobody can argue that that's not the mark of a good human being.

I think it ill of anyone to take a person to task for their addiction, or any other diseases of body and/or spirit...once adressed, confessed to and dealt with. You're way outta' line with any assumption that the guys on 5050 were wasted though. Much was in play at the time = Port Authority morons seeking their arrest/etc for the political purposes of the local idiots...the list goes on. That it was fatal pilot error? = I'll agree. If it makes you feel any better, I understand from conversation from a compadre at training..that the Capt of that flight kept pictures of those killed with him for many years.....

Aquagreen: "But his failings have never killed anybody..." Sometimes...The good Lord looks out for people for His own purposes..and that fellow/'his passengers were just lucky...period.

You evidently think that this gentlemen got some "raw deal". For all anyone knows?..He could have found himself drunk and dead in an auto accident within the year otherwise/etc...one simply never knows about any path not taken. Is it your contention that, since he never killed anyone, that he should have been allowed to continue doing the "drink and fly" thing?..Spare us all.

I can't defend the issues of judgement that led to 5050's crash...The rudder was deflected..and they didn't catch it...period. Yes = the plane could have been flown.

HOW can you possibly be defensive of someone/ANYONE willfully endangering the lives of all aboard?...Yet..YOU seem to put on a good show to that effect...words fail me. I admire loyalty to one's own..but..there's a point when some actual reason must step in.

PS: The term: "Clueless Young Punk" does come to mind...but I don't wish to get "personal".

 

[aquagreen73s]

He's a convicted felon sitting in a Florida pen. Kind of hard for him to deny what happened.


With your weepy answer we at least know how you've been spending your afternoons.........watching Oprah. :blink:

Don't watch Oprah. Just drawing a distinction between standing up and serving penance like a man versus the actions of the 5050 crew whcih killed 2 and injured 45. Nobody who is grounded in reality would ignore the obvious treachery of leaving the scene of FATAL accident after being the cause of said accident. Argue all you want. You guys are starting to sound like OJ lovers. Run OJ Run!