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[EastUS]

Did you guys not vote for the jack%^$ that voted on/approved your pension give-away?

Said "jack%^$" is now the big dog on the "Concerned Pilots Commit-me"...just FYI, and if you still want ot buy into ALpo's BS...have fun :angry:

Off on vacation for a bit.

Best to All.

Let's VOTE!

 

[prechilill]

Said "jack%^$" is now the big dog on the "Concerned Pilots Commit-me"...just FYI, and if you still want ot buy into ALpo's BS...have fun :angry:

Off on vacation for a bit.

Best to All.

Let's VOTE!

Happy vacation, but so far you only have one item on your grievance list against ALPA. Are there any more, or do you need more time to think about it?

 

[EastUS]

Happy vacation, but so far you only have one item on your grievance list against ALPA. Are there any more, or do you need more time to think about it?

My "grievance list" would clog the bandwidth, and is based on a quarter century's observations. Believe what you will based upon your own perspectives and experiences. It's my thinking that all have pretty much made up their minds by this time in any case.

Let's VOTE!

 

[prechilill]

Please clog the bandwidth a little. Just a few more- LOA 93 is all we have on the list.

 

[BoeingBoy]

So far as I know, not one party has signed on with a merger agreement, yet? Is there something you know the rest of us don't?

Depends on what you mean by "merger agreement".

The merger of the corporatate entities? That did not require the pilot groups to "sign on" but it was certainly signed by more than one party.

The merger of the pilot groups? The transition agreement is the roadmap for that "merger" and was definitely signed by multiple parties.

The merger of the contracts? So far, no party has signed off on that.

The integrated list? That "merger" has been signed by ALPA and one could say that the company's acceptance constitutes their "signature". So only one party has NOT signed on with that.

Or is there some other "merger agreement" you had in mind?

Jim

 

[Phoenix]

 

[sharktooth]

Happy vacation, but so far you only have one item on your grievance list against ALPA. Are there any more, or do you need more time to think about it?

Ask most any east pilot when they have their eyes open for a list of top ten items.

and, funny you characterize it as a "grievance list" considering the hundreds of outstanding grievances that are unresolved, not even including the frequent flyer status granted to some pilots over others when it comes to grievances, but then, I am certain your group has a "good ole boy" set of pilots also. The mean-spirited harassment of Herb over at U-Turn should be a wake-up call for the west pilot group, also. A powerful group beating on someone who is pointing out that the group has no clothes should be a familiar meme for you, but one the west, as a group, seems comfortable with.

It gives me pause, the contradictions in the west arguments about corporate as well as union operations, whining about the "tyranny of the majority" yet attempting to marginalize U-Turn by saying they do not represent a majority.

 

[prechilill]

Ask most any east pilot when they have their eyes open for a list of top ten items.

and, funny you characterize it as a "grievance list" considering the hundreds of outstanding grievances that are unresolved, not even including the frequent flyer status granted to some pilots over others when it comes to grievances, but then, I am certain your group has a "good ole boy" set of pilots also. The mean-spirited harassment of Herb over at U-Turn should be a wake-up call for the west pilot group, also. A powerful group beating on someone who is pointing out that the group has no clothes should be a familiar meme for you, but one the west, as a group, seems comfortable with.

It gives me pause, the contradictions in the west arguments about corporate as well as union operations, whining about the "tyranny of the majority" yet attempting to marginalize U-Turn by saying they do not represent a majority.

What the heck are you rambling about??? LOL
But I am interested in your "top ten" list of items where ALPA has not represented you fairly. You do have one, right?

 

[Phoenix]

 

[end_of_alpa]

Who knows, but we need to stop %$#@ around with US East and just staple them all for breach of the TA.

Yeah, like you can! I would LOVE it if you did that!

 

[EastUS]

Good Pilgrim: Firstly, Cross the frozen Plain of Intractable BS and strike out towards Mt Alpo itself. Be not targeted on the Cliffs of Obfuscation on the right, but proceed smartly through the shadowy Valley of Futile Delaying Tactics, and, on the other side of this oft-trying journey....you shall finally gain entrance to the Sacred Booth, wherein ALL may properly make their wishes known

Preshill...as for your "top ten"?...That wouldn't begin to provide any even slightly adequate tally. A thousand obviously wouldn't convince you of anything in any case. You'll vote Alpoid..I'll vote USAPA.


Let's VOTE!!!

Time to board 😉

 

[sharktooth]

What the heck are you rambling about??? LOL

Read and think, grasshopper.

But I am interested in your "top ten" list of items where ALPA has not represented you fairly. You do have one, right?

I have already posted more than ten. There are some 3100 other pilots who can give you a pretty good sampling, I am certain.

Wilson Survey called last week.

Could not even get past the first question, about "upgrading". Since all but a handful of F/Os on the property(and many who are not on the property per "nic") have already upgraded, I replied that they need to change the question. Actually got to talk with a supervisor. I wanted a name who commissioned the "survey" and a printed list of questions. He said they could not give it out. I said, I paid for this survey, I am entitled to know all about it.

You think ALPA Natl will tell me who commissioned this and what all the questions are? I guess you can add the expected, "NO", to the list. USAPA says they are all about transparency. I suspect I would not have the same problems, and neither would they about representing pilots.

Also, haven't you ever wondered why a group of people (ALPA Natl) purporting to "represent" a group of pilots, needs to pay big bucks to find out "what the pilots think"? It is like they (in DC) do not believe what the council reps are saying and need to bypass them (using the pilots own money), taking a swing at some reps when those reps do not sign "loyalty oaths".

Also, contrary to what someone said earlier, loyalty can never be demanded. It can only be earned. When demanded there is no loyalty, only obedience, soon to be replaced with some sort of resentment at the demand. That is just human nature, something normally learned over time.

Sorry for the rambling nature of this. Too many topics for too little space. Enjoy the weekend.

 

[prechilill]

Good Pilgrim: Firstly, Cross the frozen Plain of Intractable BS and strike out towards Mt Alpo itself. Be not targeted on the Cliffs of Obfuscation on the right, but proceed smartly through the shadowy Valley of Futile Delaying Tactics, and, on the other side of this oft-trying journey....you shall finally gain entrance to the Sacred Booth, wherein ALL may properly make their wishes known

Preshill...as for your "top ten"?...That wouldn't begin to provide any even slightly adequate tally. A thousand obviously wouldn't convince you of anything in any case. You'll vote Alpoid..I'll vote USAPA.


Let's VOTE!!!

Time to board 😉

THought I lost you on vacation, my friend. Ok. So we have LOA 93 on your ALPA grievance list... Waiting for a few more.
In case we don't talk later, have a good flight!

 

[end_of_alpa]

You are free to vote as you please. If voting ALPA off the property because you feel you came up short in our arbitration process makes you feel better, go for it.

Thanks for your permission.

I think you'll be surprised at the turnout. The "card" issue is now over and everyone knows who Seham is so now we wait for the election. Sehams dad is the OLD BAD GUY that APA used to get out of ALPA and they turn on him thirty years later! Suits THEIR purpose when THEY needed him and then discard him like an old shoe...what does THAT tell you...took them THIRTY years to figure THAT one out. The East guys know who he is...ALPA keeps trying to pontificate on THEIR legal team, like we haven't had enough of them and know what THEY have accomplished! Maybe it's time we had legal representation that knows BOTH sides of the coin like, you know, the enemy we don't know may be worse than the enemy we do?

We've all made our choice so all this "smear" stuff is pretty much over. In fact, if ALPA and the West continues with the USAPA smear, (with the silly videos and the pontification of the ACPC) the East guys have already galvanized together and their decisions have been made. We just need more "kindlin" for the FIRE! In fact, all this stuff you guys post on here is used for EXACTLY that! Proof of what you REALLY think of us....not that we really care now, its just that we'll have to attempt to mend ways after USAPA gets in. I know...scorched earth, you say. Don't worry, you don't believe us but we really are bigger than that. You'll just have to see. (BIG FLAMES HEADED MY WAY WITH THIS POST!)

Billboard is up in CLT, roadshow in February and the website continues to educate, according to what the feedback has been so far, contrary to what "spin" you're hearing. The more you guys pick on USAPA, the more insulting you become to the East guys because, as you keep saying, its about East, not West. Sorry you feel that way.....tough S#@T already!

I really DON'T want you to believe me, however. I don't predict with absolute certainty USAPA will get in, but lets just say after the continued Wilson polling it becomes likelier and likelier every day closer.

See you at the polls.

Looking forward to the lawsuit! Bring it on. I might suggest you hire:

Jeffrey R. Freund (D.C. Bar No. 163881)
Leon Dayan (D.C. Bar No. 444144)
Robert Alexander (D.C. Bar No. 465673)
Abigail V. Carter (D.C. Bar No. 474454)
Bredhoff & Kaiser, P.L.L.C.
805 15th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20005
Tel: (202)842-2600
Fax: (202)842-1888

I'm sure ALPA is already preparing to offer these guys to you, it just WON'T be free! (Oh, wait, you'll debate me on that too. OK, you think ALPA will pay for it. We're going to find that out too. I believe you, ALPA will pay for it!)

 

[luvn737s]

THought I lost you on vacation, my friend. Ok. So we have LOA 93 on your ALPA grievance list... Waiting for a few more.
In case we don't talk later, have a good flight!

They've got a haggard old battleaxe as a bride. Their pride can't let them admit she was like that before they were married and they won't admit that they had anything to do with making her like she is. So they go after her twin sister. Brilliant!

Their injustices ignore the many positive things their volunteers have done in the past. There's no denying that US went through some tough times, but they weren't brought on by ALPA. They didn't vote out ALPA after the pension mess. They waited until they had a transition agreement that gave them ultimate veto power combined with the extortion and intimidation power of U-SAPs. Unfortunately, the U-SAPs side of the extortion equation has begun to falter as many pilots question if there is anything to gain by replacing a strong national union with an underfunded, inexperienced and under supported one.

There are no genies in waiting to supply all the east could ever want. While I doubt anyone with a realistic perspective on ALPA would willingly support the U-SAPs, I wonder who Yosemite Sam thinks is going to staff his abomination? If the would-be saviors haven't shown a willingness to serve their fellow pilots under ALPA, what was holding them back? Are there that many stoics among the US pilots who are unwilling to soil their reputations by being associated with ALPA, but have no problem with backing out of every obligation they have entered into? And if the same ALPA volunteers do populate U-SAPs, what will have really been accomplished under U-SAPS other than cutting the US pilots off from the rest of the professional airline pilots in the US and worldwide and saddling them with punishing dues and assessments?