Any news on the LIS, ARN and MXP routes

[RowUnderDCA]

Did someone post this already?

From To Distance
PHL (39°52'19"N 75°14'28"W) ARN (59°39'07"N 17°55'07"E) 4009 mi
PHL (39°52'19"N 75°14'28"W) LIS (38°46'53"N 09°08'09"W) 3458 mi
PHL (39°52'19"N 75°14'28"W) GLA (55°52'19"N 04°25'59"W) 3309 mi
PHL (39°52'19"N 75°14'28"W) SNN (52°42'07"N 08°55'29"W) 3175 mi

 

[etops1]

NW does.

Actually, I believe 700UW is right that all '57s are supposed to use "heavy." I wonder how often that actually occurs?

not often. airways doesen't use it.

 

[Falco]

The 757-200 is not required to be reported as "heavy". The 757-300 is required to report "heavy". I have some problem believing the rumor of ATA 757's being used for Europe. I believe most of ATA's ETOPS 757's are -300 models, and PHL-DUB would be about the limit for that airplane. Also note that ATA just announced an expansion of Hawaii service using 757's. I'd bet $1000 against this rumor.

 

[LCC_#1]

The discounted J tix aren't terribly bad, but $5K for what they now call J class is insane when you can get lots more for your $$$ on other carriers. The problem is, US misrepresents the product they are offering. A J seat on US is not the same as J on LH or UA. And, an F seat domestically is not what it is on UA. But, US still sells it at the same price.

I just booked UA PHL-DFW in FC for the same price as US. I get a good meal to ORD, a good meal to DFW and the same on the way back. I'm really looking forward to my transcon next month on UA.

You are right. If you are going to offer a substandard service, then offer a cheaper price. There is no shame in actually offering less, but to charge the same price is just stupid. If we ARE the largest full service LCC, then let the sevice and ticket prices reflect it.

There needs to be a new branding of the seats up front. I know UA uses Economy Plus but with OUR service, that name would be appropriate for US. The way I see it, we screw ourselves by touting F/C and B/C and then dissapoint when the product is substandard. If we offered OUR version of Economy Plus at a cheaper price...lets say as a regular economy/first ticket...expectations would be lower and customers would be surprised at what they get. But what do I know?

 

[Barbell]

I'd bet $1000 against this rumor.

I'll let you know where to mail the check.

 

[Boeing Boeing GONE]

The 757-200 is not required to be reported as "heavy". The 757-300 is required to report "heavy". I have some problem believing the rumor of ATA 757's being used for Europe. I believe most of ATA's ETOPS 757's are -300 models, and PHL-DUB would be about the limit for that airplane. Also note that ATA just announced an expansion of Hawaii service using 757's. I'd bet $1000 against this rumor.

I will take that bet, hope to see you around here when the announcement is posted!

 

[pilot]

The 757-200 is not required to be reported as "heavy". The 757-300 is required to report "heavy". I have some problem believing the rumor of ATA 757's being used for Europe. I believe most of ATA's ETOPS 757's are -300 models, and PHL-DUB would be about the limit for that airplane. Also note that ATA just announced an expansion of Hawaii service using 757's. I'd bet $1000 against this rumor.

Please send me your email address. I will take your bet 10 to 1. You win, I pay you 10 grand. I win you pay me 1000 bucks.

No, that's not fair. I know this is not a rumor. The deal is a done deal. Why it isn't being announced is beyond my connections. Take it to the bank that we have the jets and will fly them ETOPS. Whether or not they are former ATA birds I can not confirm. Just that they were built in 2001.

pilot

 

[legacy-to-LCC]

when do those in the know expect an official announcement? it is my understanding that bookings for spring and summer european leisure travel are typically firmed up in january...

 

[bigman60]

Excuse my ignorance, but if we can't get the west 757's to Hawaii without bumping passengers, how can we expect to get these planes back from Europe? The shortest PHL-Europe flight (SNN) I'm assuming is longer than PHX-HNL.

Are these new planes rated by Boeing with a higher MTOW, allowing more range? If I understand correctly, we have to give Boeing several million dollars for them to raise the MTOW on the West ETOPS 757's and all Boeing has to do is give us a paper, as the aircraft are already capable of operating with a higher MTOW? Is this correct?

 

[pilot]

Basically yes. As I understand it a waiver from Boeing would do the trick but they want a boatload of money. The "new" 757s may already have that waiver.

Why the 75 vs. 76? My guess is that it is purely a cost issue. Less seats - less crew. Plus I imagine a 76 might cost more to start with. LCC you know. Hybrid of a big time airline vs. a LUV type operation using RJ's instead of real jets to feed the hubs.

Interesting experiment they are trying. But the only certain outcome is the pay and bonus money and stock options of the "scientists" conducting the experiment. DP and the boys.

The 757 in NOT a long haul airplane and using it as such entails a ton of compromises both in operation of the jet and amenities for the passengers. Such is the experiment. Kind of like trying to non-rev on an RJ with open seats. The reason the seats are open is for wt. and balance or carrying fuel. They give out a ton of free tix for these compromises.

But based on the bonus money these airline experts must know what they
are doing. Right?

pilot

 

[Boeing Boeing GONE]

I believe the 757's start service in late May early june..

 

[Fixed Wing]

The 757 in NOT a long haul airplane and using it as such entails a ton of compromises both in operation of the jet and amenities for the passengers. Such is the experiment.

I gues Continental is still "experimenting" with their 17 different European destinations to Europe using the 757.

 

[legacy-to-LCC]

narrowbody transatlantic service, i suspect, will soon become the new normal. if you don't have to connect in lhr or fra or cdg, why would you? continental is pulling this off because the value they place in the customer, as reflected by both the quality of their service and ammenities offered is really quite impressive. given the right tools, u could be equally successful, i am confident!

 

[LCC_#1]

You are right. If you are going to offer a substandard service, then offer a cheaper price. There is no shame in actually offering less, but to charge the same price is just stupid. If we ARE the largest full service LCC, then let the sevice and ticket prices reflect it.

There needs to be a new branding of the seats up front. I know UA uses Economy Plus but with OUR service, that name would be appropriate for US. The way I see it, we screw ourselves by touting F/C and B/C and then dissapoint when the product is substandard. If we offered OUR version of Economy Plus at a cheaper price...lets say as a regular economy/first ticket...expectations would be lower and customers would be surprised at what they get. But what do I know?

I came up with a new name for what I feel is Economy Plus (used by UAL) Call it Super Economy or Enhanced Economy.

 

[US1YFARE]

I came up with a new name for what I feel is Economy Plus (used by UAL) Call it Super Economy or Enhanced Economy.

Airtran calls it Business Class--when people here business class rather than FC, they should know that it is not a product comparable to other carrier's FC. But, you know what LCC#1, it's not a bad idea to sell it as Enhanced Economy--bet you would sell more tickets with that name--business travelers would buy tickets because their clients and companies would not see an F fare.f Obviously, the fare would have to be reduced to levels lower than the UA or AA or DL fares (even lower than QUP or YUP fares that the other carriers offer). It probably could be a little more than the Airtran biz ticket price because US currently offers more amenities in FC than Airtran in my opinion--not much, but some. Maybe they should even charge the same as Airtran and try to win over Airtran customers.

I always said that they should get creative with the fare codes so that people could purchase seats in FC and still submit them.

Once US defines who they are, they will be in a better position with their customer base and financial state.