Burchette v. Yingst

[proAMT]

Interesting rumor and very high in the entertainment value category but what is the truth?

 

[AMFAMAN]

Interesting rumor and very high in the entertainment value category but what is the truth?

Go to the Burchette thread, it starts on page 4.

http://www.usaviation.com/forums/index.php...33930&st=45

Burchette wasn't involved, more of a domestic dispute that required a captain to break up and police to come on board at landing.

 

[ICEMAN]

I have no idea where and when Yingst was flying. It is
certainly not unusual for persons facing hip
replacement surgery to fly on vacation before they are
immobilized by surgery and I have several relatives
who did so. What I am struck by, although not
surprised, is that based on various rumors we have
people demanding that Yingst be terminated from AA and
removed from office. All of this despite the fact
that I have seen no police report and there has been
no hearing, no witnesses. Yingst is a TWU officer and
supporter and that apparently is enough to justify
whatever punishment the AMFA supporters wish to
impose.



Beyond that, assuming only for argument's sake what I
do not know-- that there is some truth to the rumors
being spread, and that it could be proven in front of
a judge, arbitrator, or panel of union members, the
fact is that there have been many AA employees from
every work group, including management, who have
exhibited drinking problems and inappropriate behavior
as passengers. The position that every union that I
know has taken is that, in the absence of personal or
property damage, the appopriate response is not
discipline, but rehabilitation. That's the position of
trade unionists, but for people who will do anything
to destroy the TWU a personal problem is an
opportunity for attack and to secure advantage.

 

[ch53D]

I have no idea where and when Yingst was flying. It is
certainly not unusual for persons facing hip
replacement surgery to fly on vacation before they are
immobilized by surgery and I have several relatives
who did so. What I am struck by, although not
surprised, is that based on various rumors we have
people demanding that Yingst be terminated from AA and
removed from office. All of this despite the fact
that I have seen no police report and there has been
no hearing, no witnesses. Yingst is a TWU officer and
supporter and that apparently is enough to justify
whatever punishment the AMFA supporters wish to
impose.
Beyond that, assuming only for argument's sake what I
do not know-- that there is some truth to the rumors
being spread, and that it could be proven in front of
a judge, arbitrator, or panel of union members, the
fact is that there have been many AA employees from
every work group, including management, who have
exhibited drinking problems and inappropriate behavior
as passengers. The position that every union that I
know has taken is that, in the absence of personal or
property damage, the appopriate response is not
discipline, but rehabilitation. That's the position of
trade unionists, but for people who will do anything
to destroy the TWU a personal problem is an
opportunity for attack and to secure advantage.

Refer to post #2 if you want to discuss this issue.

 

[eolesen]

What I am struck by, although not surprised, is that based on various rumors we have people demanding that Yingst be terminated from AA and removed from office. All of this despite the fact that I have seen no police report and there has been no hearing, no witnesses.

I don't think this is rumor. His actions were serious enough for HR to suspend his travel record in Sabre (see the other thread).

Beyond that, assuming only for argument's sake what I
do not know-- that there is some truth to the rumors
being spread, and that it could be proven in front of
a judge, arbitrator, or panel of union members, the
fact is that there have been many AA employees from
every work group, including management, who have
exhibited drinking problems and inappropriate behavior
as passengers.

IIRC, arbitration is only applicable where the union disagrees with how the contract is being applied by the company. Since travel isn't contractual, and AA's policy across all workgroups states that misconduct while nonrevving can result in corrective action up to and including termination.

If there was actual interference with a crew member or failure to follow crewmember instructions, he's screwed. That's a federal rap, IIRC, and not just a violation of rules.

The position that every union that I know has taken is that, in the absence of personal or property damage, the appopriate response is not discipline, but rehabilitation.

Crying "EAP!" after the fact may get you rehab, but you're still likely to be terminated.