Fleet Service apathy

[pjirish317]

wings396,

I am certainly not letting the current or past leadership teams off the hook when it comes down to assigning blame for the state of affairs we find ourselves in. Decisions to negotiate TAs instead of contracts is never, in the long term, in the best interest of the membership. Loosely written contract language does not serve the membership as well. Subsequently, it cannot be enforced and even if it could there is no agreed to remedial action in the contract if there is a violation. Poor performance of elected AGCs is not the fault of the membership. These issues cetainly do need to be addressed. It is why I chose to run. I don't propose to have all the answers but what I can promise is a genuine effort to faithfully perform my duties and responsibilities if elected. IMO... in order to correct problems, and we have many, you need to first truly identify what they are.

ograc

ograc,

Please tell us which elected AGC's have had poor performance? Please exclude MC, and Mickey, may he rest in peace. I don't think you can call them out by name. I think you citing "poor performance" as a political position to get yourself elected. And you don't think that the elected AGC's are giving, as you said it, "a genuine effort to faithfully perform their duties and responsibilities"? Seriously?

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

The way I read it appears the AA 1113c term sheet would remain in effect except for the modifications laid out in the term sheet you linked to.

The actual number stations not to be outsourced will of course change as the language allows the exact number to fluctuate.

As for what the TWU is actually preparing for us to vote on, that depends on who you talk to.I've heard everything from 3% paycut to 15% paycut.

Local officers running around muttering, showing snippets of text messages,spreading lots of FUD.

I've always said the only union at American Airlines is the credit union.

 

[Dilligas]

I've always said the only union at American Airlines is the credit union.

With a nod toward Larry the Cable Guy, "that's funny right there, I don't care who ya are." 😀

 

[roabilly]

The way I read it appears the AA 1113c term sheet would remain in effect except for the modifications laid out in the term sheet you linked to.

The actual number stations not to be outsourced will of course change as the language allows the exact number to fluctuate.

As for what the TWU is actually preparing for us to vote on, that depends on who you talk to.I've heard everything from 3% paycut to 15% paycut.

Local officers running around muttering, showing snippets of text messages,spreading lots of FUD.

I've always said the only union at American Airlines is the credit union.

Hey JFK…

I would like to thank you for being active in our thread… as you can see… we are as much in the dark as you guys are. I have been trying to visit your threads when possible, and it appears that there is a great deal of dissention with the TWU.

Having been through what you guys are currently going through, the frustrations are understandable. BK 1113[c] is a tool that not only allows for extreme leverage over the unions, it also serves to physiologically defeat and divide the members by casting suspicions onto the unions and their leadership.

What is your feel for the direction AA fleet will take. Do you think they will do as we did, and accept a final offer in lieu of taking a chance with the judge? I remember we had a lot of vocal members posturing and screaming “Take it to the Judge” during our BK… but ultimately the aggregate chose to vote in the “final offer” T/A.

Now for the BIG question, do think that given the opportunity… your group would support moving representation over to the IAM in the event of a representational election? It seems I’m getting the vibe from your AA threads that MTC is vocalizing a desire for this move.

Hang in there Bro… love the humor!

 

[roabilly]

Disregard... double post...

 

[ograc]

ograc,

Please tell us which elected AGC's have had poor performance? Please exclude MC, and Mickey, may he rest in peace. I don't think you can call them out by name. I think you citing "poor performance" as a political position to get yourself elected. And you don't think that the elected AGC's are giving, as you said it, "a genuine effort to faithfully perform their duties and responsibilities"? Seriously?

pjirish317,

Past performance is certainly an issue in any political election. Was it not an issue the ND raised four years ago with the RC team? Out of respect I will not call them out by name. Instead, let's consider the following: Stations that have not seen their AGC in years. My station being one of them, until the district finally reassigned. As a result of this issue 2 termination hearings waited over a year before they were scheduled for Step 2. From what I hear stations scheduled to be outsouced were not visited. Stations facing manpower reductions and packets not visited. I visited PHL 2 weeks ago a member showed me three different grievances all at least 6 months old still awaiting Step 2 hearings or decisions. The member had no idea what the status was with any of them. I'm not insinuating all of our AGCs have under performed. Some have done and are trying their best to do a good job. IMO... Mickey, may he rest in peace, was one of them. Some, as with past leadership teams, should and could have done better.

ograc

 

[Tim Nelson]

nelson did not get th memo
he is 60% of posts hear if you
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pointd hat dude is drunk on nelsen kooaid
neslon spike wth stupidity!




i can be whatever you want me to be
paranoind is wht you are
why are you so afraid of DL?
do you have somthing to hide?

I'm not afraid of anything. And you and Roabily can continue to think that I'm Jester or IAM informer or whoever but I'm not. Sorry Bluto but it's alot more than just me who understands how the New Direction has hosed everyone. We gave Delaney a shot 4 years ago but after he proved himself completely [not partly] incapable with all of his actions in 4 years [each and every one of his actions BTW] it makes absolutely no sense at all, and is insane, to keep him. Especially since the US AIRWAYS members are lucky in that they weren't first or second up for him to hose over. Voting in a United airline president who doesn't have any seniority on the line and also screwed over his own members isn't too smart.

Onward!

Why does Tim Nelson Want to be President?? Click Here

 

[saywhat]

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I'm not afraid of anything. And you and Roabily can continue to think that I'm Jester or IAM informer or whoever but I'm not. Sorry Bluto but it's alot more than just me who understands how the New Direction has hosed everyone. We gave Delaney a shot 4 years ago but after he proved himself completely [not partly] incapable with all of his actions in 4 years [each and every one of his actions BTW] it makes absolutely no sense at all, and is insane, to keep him. Especially since the US AIRWAYS members are lucky in that they weren't first or second up for him to hose over. Voting in a United airline president who doesn't have any seniority on the line and also screwed over his own members isn't too smart.

Onward!

Why does Tim Nelson Want to be President?? Click Here
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You ask why Tim wants to be president? Egomaniac, narcissistic and bipolar.

 

[Tim Nelson]

In all honesty, what's the chances of you or anyone else reversing the damage that has already been done? I have yet to hear anyone's attempt to get back lost work, or anything that fleet has lost at all.

First off, it all starts with leadership. And there must be a passion for fleet service jobs.

Unfortunately, no matter if one is talking about the TWU, IAM, or IBT, every contract that I have seen this century has been a fleet service job losing contract [Southwest ramp excepted]. And it really doesn't matter if an airline is in bankruptcy or not, these unions continue to sign deals that give away fleet service work, and they continue to do so. It's just flat out wrong. Even with the AMR/US AIRWAYS T/A, why is US AIRWAYS giving only the pilots and flight attendants no layoff guarantees? Isn't the ramp at US and AMR worth it? Well, hell yeah rampers are worth their jobs but there has been large amounts of horse trading ramp jobs so mechanics, pilots, flight attendants can get bigger pieces of the pie by these unions and it has to stop doing so on the back of fleet service. If the work is there then it should be rampers and NOT sub contractors doing it.

I could understand if an airline shrunk or cut service and there wasn't any work, but that's not the case. Consider IND. The work is still there, someone else is doing it. And our leadership had its thumb up it's arse and said "Well, as long as the company didn't violate the contract". REALLY? Could US AIRWAYS contract out IND as a result of your contract? Yes. But that doesn't make it right when the work is still there. The problem is that our leadership has NOT built solidarity nor intended to build solidarity at US AIRWAYS, United, or anywhere else, so there is nothing that really can be done outside of solidarity participation. Our union leadership does the bare minimum, i.e., try to handle grievances and then ask management for pay raises. Same with negotiations at United or US AIRWAYS. Our union continually ask our members to 'stand down' and just 'trust us'. We should have had our membership informationally picketing and involved, cripes you just lost another 150 jobs...JUST FLEET SERVICE and the union does nothing. Losing jobs when an airline is making millions of dollars and announces that it will dump $4 billion on AMR???? The day when a Leadership finally understands that AGC jobs are being paid big money not just to be glorified Local chairman in step 3's but to actually build solidarity and strengthen the membership is the day when real negotiations can begin.

But we have seen what trusting Delaney and other United Airline Presidents means to US AIRWAYS members and even other members. It means that part timers make only half of full time at Hawaiian. It means that he lied and didn't finish the UA contract but instead opted to dump his members into transition talks and support management. It meant supporting management locking out BUF for a couple hundred dollars. It means a scandal of fleet service jobs. And it isn't going to stop by keeping the New Direction and I only base that on all the disasterous decisions that they supported management on. There is no way that Delaney changes his spots and finishes an exhaustive US AIRWAYS contract first and holds management accountable to do so, before dumping you guys into transition talks. And I know some on here are trusting the negotiations committee but they have no legal authority to stop it. The President has the authority to sign LOA's and waive off talks without the consent of the negotiations committee.

We definately can reverse the trend and rebuild this craft so that OUR MEMBERS are doing the work in a growing airline. I thought that that is what unions are for? But it necessarily means that we need a leadership that is willing to involve the membership and is determined, passionate, and exerts the energy to build solidarity. Solidarity to increase participation through empowering the members and NOT keeping everything at the top. Essentially we have to keep the foundation of the constitution but rehab this house that is in sore need of a HUGE update into this century. Click Herefor a video of what I mean.

Onward!

 

[Tim Nelson]

You ask why Tim wants to be president? Egomaniac, narcissistic and bipolar.

Those that know me best, my brothers and sisters at the US AIRWAYS hubs, endorsed me and I am quite honored by it. Egomaniac? Narcissistic? Bipolar?

I'll stand on the unanimous Hub endorsements of my bros and sisters at US AIRWAYS and use that as my witness against your continual negative portrayals about me. Having the unanimous endorsement with all 3 US AIRWAYS hubs endorsing me over Rich Delaney signified that those who know me best trust me over Delaney. And for that, I am honored! Of course, even Delaney trusted me and appointed me to Direct the organizing department at a time when everyone was voting out the IAM. Even Roabily 'took my word for it' [see his post this past fall]. But, since I had the audacity to inform Delaney that I was going to run against him for president, the good ole boy network cast me out into the wilderness and branded me the devil! But, hey, that's politics.

Am I perfect? Nah. And sometimes I'm a bit more of an #### than I should be. But, Delaney doesn't have the leadership qualities to finish any job or stand on the sidelines as a head coach. Having members standing down like he has had our United Airline bros and sisters isn't going to produce anything. In 3 years of talks at United, he had his members skip a pizza party and sodas? R U KIDDN ME???? After 3 years of talks and throwing the entire group into transition talks and only having an offer of $22 and no scope on the table is the exact sorta thing we would expect when the New Direction decided to hold hands with management and jump in a bed that was still warm from the Canale days.

Why is Tim Nelson Running for President? Click Here

Onward!

 

[Tim Nelson]

ograc,

Please tell us which elected AGC's have had poor performance? Please exclude MC, and Mickey, may he rest in peace. I don't think you can call them out by name. I think you citing "poor performance" as a political position to get yourself elected. And you don't think that the elected AGC's are giving, as you said it, "a genuine effort to faithfully perform their duties and responsibilities"? Seriously?

PJ,
I expected leadership from them and none of them have shown the sorta leadership that moves them past bobblehead status. I was there PJ and you weren't and I happen to know. I think MF has some qualities to process grievances and I'll give him points for that. I thought NH had more leadership qualities than all the AGC's combined but stood down to Delaney when Delaney took him out of the leadership position that we all supported at the time. NH got courted by AG almost immediately and didn't realize that AG was intentionally and immediately trying to divide the solidarity that the US AIRWAYS guys had going into the New Direction. In the end, they became the same thing they fought against. IMO, it was the money. Money will corrupt and it can corrupt us all. That's why I pushed the Occupy 141 platform to make sure there are accountability factors in place that will help prevent the same sorta corruption from the Occupy 141 leadership with me and my team that has corrupted previous administrations.

But, in any case, AGC's are not to be reduced down to grievance pushers only. The Occupy 141 AGC's will be required to hit the breakrooms and take bullets from the masses and to listen and strengthen the masses. And to build teams in a mighty way. Sorry but punching the clock at the Local Hall once a month is a long way from breakrooms. Could these present AGC's be good if I won and they won? I could make them better players but I prefer the players on the occupy ballot and have confidence that the occupy AGC's will win. But until then the current US AIRWAYS AGC's will still be operating as the flying monkeys and Castle men in the wizard of Oz supporting the wicked witch.

Platform. Click Here

 

[charlie Brown]

Negotiation Update

Just so everyone knows, Rich Delaney posted a update today on negotiations on the district web site.
Go to www. Iam141.org then go to the bottom of page and click on US Airways update.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

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Hey JFK…

I would like to thank you for being active in our thread… as you can see… we are as much in the dark as you guys are. I have been trying to visit your threads when possible, and it appears that there is a great deal of dissention with the TWU.

Having been through what you guys are currently going through, the frustrations are understandable. BK 1113[c] is a tool that not only allows for extreme leverage over the unions, it also serves to physiologically defeat and divide the members by casting suspicions onto the unions and their leadership.

What is your feel for the direction AA fleet will take. Do you think they will do as we did, and accept a final offer in lieu of taking a chance with the judge? I remember we had a lot of vocal members posturing and screaming “Take it to the Judge” during our BK… but ultimately the aggregate chose to vote in the “final offer” T/A.

Now for the BIG question, do think that given the opportunity… your group would support moving representation over to the IAM in the event of a representational election? It seems I’m getting the vibe from your AA threads that MTC is vocalizing a desire for this move.

Hang in there Bro… love the humor!

My gut tells me there will be considerable pissing and moaning, but they will take the "Final Offer".If the AA term sheet gets imposed by a judge the junior F/T'er at LGA would have mid '92 seniority.Some of those folks have been hiding in the bagroom for the better part of a decade, can't see them slinging MIA bags on a 75 or doing the DFW nasty in an '80.

As far as a potential change of representation goes, I don't know honestly.There are plenty of people PO'ed with the TWU and their "Meh" attitude in Fleet Service these past ten years.The angst of the MX group with regard to the TWU is well documented on the AA board.

Would they support a campaign though? That would require a lot of boots on the ground and a credible believable message.DFW holds the keys as always.NY would be a coin flip due to the high concentration of TWA guys in the three area airports.They'd vote for the IAM in the belief they'd get their TWA seniority reinstated.

A lot of the issues I read here are the same and a lot of them are different.This current urination contest about AGC's ect. is a foreign language to me, as is the idea of another airline holding sway at the hall due to superior numbers.

I think the best thing we can do is exchange information, answer questions and get accurate information from each other.I'm sure you guys are hearing about the AA boogeymen the same way we're hearing about "US Airways doesn't have _____ and doesn't do ____" from people who "Know someone there".

 

[Uneed2no]

Tim
Really Tim?? Really?? Hey you say your here for the membership, but I love how you don't lie to people, you just don't tell them the whole truth, and you think that's ok. But yet you say your here for the membership. Wow!! In your post above you say the hubs for US airways decided not to suTipport Delaney and the ND ticket anymore. Why don't you be honest ( since your here for the members) and tell them the whole truth? While you may have won nomination in the hubs, why don't you tell the people just how many ND guys also won nomination here in Phl and Clt. If you tell the members the WHOLE TRUTH, they will find out the hubs nominated the majority of the ND ticket in phl and clt. Come on Tim, your proving your weakness before you even get to run. You are your own worst enemy. The only people that support you, either do t know you, or the o es that do, are so hungry for a position at the district they would sale their mother!!! Let's see is you post who all really won nominations in PHL and CLT. My guess is you wont. This should tell you something people!!! Wake up!!

Tim
I figured you would ignore my question!! So I'm going to come on here and repost this from time to time, just to let the membership see how you avoid questions that show the membership how you don't want to tell them the whole truth. So to everyone reading this!! This is the 2nd time I am asking Tim to tell the membership who all won nomination in phl and clt, because he posted that the hubs decided not to support the ND ticket. That's completely false, but let's see if he admits he wasn't telling the membership the whole truth!! If this guy is already proving by his post that he can't be trusted, why does anyone think he can be if he gets even more power!!! Again!! Wake up people!! Or your going to get exactly what your asking for!!

 

[CMH_GSE]

My guess is the final offer will pass, not by much, because the devil you know is slightly better than the devil you don't know.