Fleet Service apathy

[700UW]

I was in 141 when we were one district.

How many arbitration cases were you involved with?

I know personally we used Bob Bush, Ira Levy, David Neigus and others when I was a rep in 141, 141M, and 142.

 

[niblet]

I was in 141 when we were one district.

How many arbitration cases were you involved with?

I know personally we used Bob Bush, Ira Levy, David Neigus and others when I was a rep in 141, 141M, and 142.

I never had any go to arbitration. Mine were all settled in step 2 or step 3. Of recent I have two that I want to go to arbitration but the district wont give me an answer. I have two more step 3 hearings coming up with all the samee players with more than likely the same results. I'm sure when you were 141 before you split to 141M things might have been kosher. I need some legal advice now but the international doesnt seem to want to help and instucts me to call the district. One big cirlce with no answers. The district has no president with a valid phone number. My AGC is a fill in. And the lead AGC is always on a plane flying back and forth to PHX. Ive been offered no legal help from the district. Those are facts not hearsay.

 

[PHX Devil]

And the lead AGC is always on a plane flying back and forth to PHX. Ive been offered no legal help from the district. Those are facts not hearsay.

Who is your lead AGC? We haven't seen an AGC in two years, if he is coming to PHX he is not stopping to visit us

 

[700UW]

Get in touch with your GLR.

 

[IAM Informer]

That’s what everyone is saying at work. Tim has a long history of trying to push his own ideas and self interest while the people end up suffering. We belived him when fought to get Delaney and the folks we have now into office. Now he does a complete turn around and sys they are no good. he just wants to be #1 for his own ego. he says Delaney never negotiated a contract then come to find neither has HE. He claims there are too many united people but his ticket is full of them. But when someon like me question any of this he and his team accuse me of being a union person from the district. tyo me people that are paranoid like this are troubled.

Give it a rest all ready.. You blew your cover by conflicting your posts from 1 not working for the CO. to Being in the break rooms to hanging with the UA negotiators..
all add up to a lonely District employee sitting in a hotel room (probably SFO seems to like the high per diem rate there) trying to stir things up .
Come up with a new handle and try again.

 

[niblet]

Who is your lead AGC? We haven't seen an AGC in two years, if he is coming to PHX he is not stopping to visit us

F.O. Frank Odonnel

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,

Chill, just asking. You paranoid or what? You said you wanted a lawyer in negotiations and if the lawyer wasn't there for the language already presented just wondered if you would redo that language. Have you told people that if you win, negotiations would be delayed from June until October at least?

Huh?

Why would negotiations be delayed? Is Delaney and his team going somewhere that we don't know about from June to October? Delaney will still be getting paid and fully expected to schedule and participate in negotiations. Isn't Tom Reagon overseeing things? What's the fuss?

regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

You filed short on cards before any real election on the property , like 91ish.

So your denying when they company tried to fire you for the Big Picture?

Shall I get JC or JR to come post the details, as they know them first hand.

How can the IAM file short on cards in 1997 when they were certified on Fleet at US in 1995?

Your inexperience is showing again, the very people for the company that hear the grievances once it gets to third step where the AGC handles it, are the very same people negotiating the CBA for the company.

So I guess the AGCs will meet with no one to handle the backlog as Labor Relations will be in CBA negotiations.

Filed short on which group? The only cards I ever filed back then were for upstairs and there was no other activity or supporting interest from any other union. We tried to get reservations split from customer service but were unsuccessful and the case was dismissed. The casework is on the NMB website and is public. The IAM did the same thing in '97 but their case was dismissed also since they didn't have enough support. It's all public information! At any rate, filing short happens all the time, what is your point??? And CLT knows me quite well and gave me the presidential nomination, so go take all of your hate away and get a life.

And why are you talking about some disciplinary action of about 20 years ago? Who cares? I don't care who you get, I never was subject to termination for any company. I think the situation you are referring to was before I had a contract. At any rate, what's your point and who cares?

Your comment about Labor relations is unintelligible. Maybe you can rephrase your comments.

regards,

 

[john john]

Huh?

Why would negotiations be delayed? Is Delaney and his team going somewhere that we don't know about from June to October? Delaney will still be getting paid and fully expected to schedule and participate in negotiations. Isn't Tom Reagon overseeing things? What's the fuss?

regards,

How many actual fleet service USAirways employees are on the negotiating team sitting in on actual negotiations with management

 

[wings396]

I too have been told that the fleet negotiations are moving at a snails pace to be generous. No sense of urgency whatsoever, with weeks of time away from the table being the norm. We are working at BK wages and bennies, not to mention the squandered
2% raise that has been pushed off until friggen July. We all know that these clowns will never get us a cent of retro pay either. They need to go, and most of us are willing to give ANYBODY new a chance to do better. While many on here have bashed Tim for his ideas, I fail to see anyone who can defend those currently in power. You may say that they have "experience", but what the good is that doing for the membership?
All that the so called "Experienced Leadership" equate to is a bunch of Fat Cats collecting a six figure salary on the memberships back.

 

[niblet]

How many actual fleet service USAirways employees are on the negotiating team sitting in on actual negotiations with management

How many lawyers are in the negotiations? How many times has Delaney been in on our negotiations?

 

[Tim Nelson]

How many lawyers are in the negotiations? How many times has Delaney been in on our negotiations?

These negotiations are in the first inning. With a merger coming, negotiations will be drawn out by Delaney just like he did at UA/CO merger where he's in his 3rd year of no pay increases and not even close to any contract in sight. Remember, ask those on Delaney's ticket how Delaney has handled the UA/CO negotiations. The CO/UA negotiations are very significant since it's the exact same situation of a merger and Delaney completely screwed those merger talks up. Anyone from Delaney's team who wants the US AIRWAYS members to vote for Delaney should be willing to discuss how Delaney has handled other merger talks. US AIRWAYS members can't afford someone who supports managements plan to scrap regular negotiations for transition talks.

Besides, the US AIRWAYS negotiations are only scheduled to meet 4 times from January 1- June 1. The frequency of negotiations explicitly indicates that negotiations are only in the 'first inning'. At any rate, with the pension cut being triggered with any new T/A, why would any US AIRWAYS member want a quick contract anyways? Any wage gain would have to be substantial to offset a 40% voluntary pension cut. Doesn't make any sense.

regards,

 

[700UW]

Because your members need to know your track record.

And let me simplfy this for you.

Third Step Process.

For the Union: AGC

For the Company Labor Relations.

Negotiations:

For the Union: AGCs, GLR and Members at Large.

For the Union: Labor Relations.

So if Labor Relations management are in Negotiations with Fleet, there wont be anyone from the company to hear third step grievances, since they are set up and scheduled by labor relations.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Because your members need to know your track record.

And let me simplfy this for you.

Third Step Process.

For the Union: AGC

For the Company Labor Relations.

Negotiations:

For the Union: AGCs, GLR and Members at Large.

For the Union: Labor Relations.

So if Labor Relations management are in Negotiations with Fleet, there wont be anyone from the company to hear third step grievances, since they are set up and scheduled by labor relations.

The members know my track record and that is why US AIRWAYS PHL and CLT have given me the honor of their nominations. That's the scoreboard.

As far as your Labor Relations, are you implying that Labor relations is going to be negotiating around the clock 24/7/365? Look at what you write some time. For the first 6 months of this year, negotiations has been scheduled only 4 times. Step 3's are fine and will accelerate and will have the full counsel of an in house attorney to add additional support for our AGC's. We have legal counsel now but we will insource it to save considerable cost and upgrade the resource. AGC + Attorney > AGC + Cell phone

At any rate, we will have twice the resources to finally unplug the backlog of grievances that have beset our US AIRWAYS members due to a lack of commitment from the UA presidents.

But the most sacred is the seniority of the US AIRWAYS rampers and making sure that they dont walk into a merger with a President who doesn't have any seniority to lose. And a president who isn't soft and won't horse trade fleet service for mechanics. I'm sure the INTL will want to cut some sorta deal like they did with the TWU when the TWU horse traded the west for $500,000 after obtaining the signature of a certain Local official in PHX.

regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

Because your members need to know your track record.

And let me simplfy this for you.

Third Step Process.

For the Union: AGC

For the Company Labor Relations.

Negotiations:

For the Union: AGCs, GLR and Members at Large.

For the Union: Labor Relations.

So if Labor Relations management are in Negotiations with Fleet, there wont be anyone from the company to hear third step grievances, since they are set up and scheduled by labor relations.

The members know my track record and that is why US AIRWAYS PHL and CLT have given me the honor of their nominations. That's the scoreboard.

As far as your Labor Relations, are you implying that Labor relations is going to be negotiating around the clock 24/7/365? Look at what you write some time. For the first 6 months of this year, negotiations has been scheduled only 4 times. Step 3's are fine and will accelerate and will have the full counsel of an in house attorney to add additional support for our AGC's. We have legal counsel now but we will insource it to save considerable cost and upgrade the resource. AGC + Attorney > AGC + Cell phone

At any rate, we will have twice the resources to finally unplug the backlog of grievances that have beset our US AIRWAYS members due to a lack of commitment from the UA presidents.

But the most sacred is the seniority of the US AIRWAYS rampers and making sure that they dont walk into a merger with a President who doesn't have any seniority to lose. And a president who isn't soft and won't horse trade fleet service for mechanics. I'm sure the INTL will want to cut some sorta deal like they did with the TWU when the TWU horse traded the west for $500,000 after obtaining the signature of a certain Local official in PHX.

regards,