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Why do you presume that this is all about my ego? What if it isn't and you are wrong?

Further, please mention the negotiations experience of Delaney, and I bet my negotiations experience far exceeds his. Exactly what negotiations experience are you talking about that Delaney has, and what is its witness?

And your post was very disrespectful but I didn't take it personal.

Onward Occupy141

OK... Tim...

I will began my research on the HAL issue... I will attempt to ferret out fact from fiction in this regard. It may take me a few days, but... I promise to do so.

P.S. Actually my friend never did me any harm... just others...
 
You make this so easy, NMB 6435 is when the CWA was certified to represent Res and CSA.

Gee Tim, how can you be wrong again!!!!!!!


So lets see you explain this one, apparently your the one who doesnt get it, CWA Certified.

So your wrong again.
700UW, for some reason not known to me, you refuse to educate yourself by research. Even when others are trying to help you out and push you along the correct path.

I really don't know why I try to unpack things for you, but at any rate, the case I cited was not dropped, only the IAM's submission, within the case, was dismissed. What you failed to somehow realize is that the CWA also submitted cards and had enough. I'll pull the entire casework up for you tomorrow [my presumption is that it is on the NMB site] if you still don't understand. Maybe you can review it for a sorta homework assignment. I remember the filing quite clearly back in the day.

My presumption is that you are completely unfamiliar on the law or process of how these cases come about. So for a truncated educational session, I will simply tell you that many unions can submit cards to the NMB. The first union to submit the cards will trigger a case number. In the case I mentioned, the IAM is the one who triggered the case with its submission. The CWA followed the very next day. When a union submits cards, that is called 'a showing of support'. For a non represented group, each union needed 35%. Unions that do not show sufficient support will either withdraw or be dismissed. Unions who show enough support will trigger an election. And remember, this is under the RLA, not the NLRA.

But here's what really chaps my arse....didn't you say that you were one of the organizers from 1725? Wasn't that right about your time frame., i.e., November '96?

I'm going to be honest with you 700, I am not surprised that you were one of the IAM negotiators.

Onward Occupy 141
 
OK... Tim...

I will began my research on the HAL issue... I will attempt to ferret out fact from fiction in this regard. It may take me a few days, but... I promise to do so.

P.S. Actually my friend never did me any harm... just others...
I sure will appreciate it Roabily. BTW, you sure your friend isn't Delaney? And when you are reviewing the HAL contract, make sure you ask about how Delaney had his side bars with HAL management to incorporate the anti union language from Delta ready reserve. Also, make sure you research his statements "equal work = equal pay", many of which should still be on the website. Focus on HAL first, then we can move on to UA/CO.

By the time you become fully aware of the ND negotiations, you will see my point of view alot clearer and won't jump to any unsupported conclusions that I'm running because of my ego. I owe it to myself and the membership to run for President. Also, please provide any evidence whatsoever that Delaney has negotiations experience. I will be waiting.

Onward!
 
I sure will appreciate it Roabily. BTW, you sure your friend isn't Delaney? And when you are reviewing the HAL contract, make sure you ask about how Delaney had his side bars with HAL management to incorporate the anti union language from Delta ready reserve. Also, make sure you research his statements "equal work = equal pay", many of which should still be on the website. Focus on HAL first, then we can move on to UA/CO.

By the time you become fully aware of the ND negotiations, you will see my point of view alot clearer and won't jump to any unsupported conclusions that I'm running because of my ego. I owe it to myself and the membership to run for President. Also, please provide any evidence whatsoever that Delaney has negotiations experience. I will be waiting.

Onward!

Tim... the difference between the friend and Delaney is simple... the friend pushed himself... You pushed Delaney...
 
If the IAM filed short on cards it would have triggered a one year bar, well as you see the CWA was certified, explain that one.
 
The only way to silence Tim is to agree with him.

Carry on.
Just stating fact and trying to bring clarification to the issue Dog Wonder. I'sn't that what we all seek...the facts and the truth?
 
Tim... the difference between the friend and Delaney is simple... the friend pushed himself... You pushed Delaney...
Roabily,

myself and all of US AIRWAYS pushed Delaney. All of United pushed Delaney. Canale was just that bad. I don't think it was the wrong choice at the time. But Delaney isn't entitled to my vote or yours, much less is he entitled to the job. He breached our trust by supporting management at each and every airline.

Also, I'm more qualified than Delaney anyways for the President job. In fact, he has no required qualifications at all. I do.

Applying those qualifications sets us apart even further. What is the witness to the qualifications of Rich Delaney? If you support Delaney, Roabily, talk to us all about the actions he has done in 4 years. Please chime in on what he has actually done for your members.

And saying that we haven't given him a chance is morally bankrupt. He destroyed leverage at each property.
Onward!
 
If the IAM filed short on cards it would have triggered a one year bar, well as you see the CWA was certified, explain that one.
Seriously 700? Seriously?

You are every reason why we have to change the way the union does business.

I don't have time this morning to continue explaining the most basic and core representational functions of the RLA and how they relate to a double filing by the IAM and CWA. I gotta go to work now. I'll copy and paste the case for you when I have time. Maybe when you were a representative for the IAM you should have acquainted yourself with the RLA, especially since you were also an organizer.

regards,
 
The inability of the old guard IAM backers to ever make a post detailing their accomplishments and their future plans is indicative of the sorry state of politics, in the micro model of the IAM, and the macro model of our nation. I believe this is what causes disillusion, then disgust, then apathy. Why do politicians of all ilks do this? Because it works. They think we are stupid, and collectively they are proven correct.

So much time, energy, and money is spent on negative campaigning and attacks. It's all useless clutter to cloud the mind of the voter and confuse them. If candidates were somehow restricted to only espousing their own strengths and the platform that they support, then it would be much easier for voters to evaluate the performance of the incumbent and make more intelligent decisions. Did the incumbent follow through on his promises and deliver? Was he or she responsive to the constituents and perform true to his word? If clearly yes, then perhaps I'd vote for them again. If clearly not, let's give some fresh blood a chance.

Tim, I don't know you, I'm aware of your somewhat less than admired history among certain IAM factions, and I do think your independent campaign years ago to create your own union was a mistake and did have a negative result in general on your work group. One could attribute that to a degree of ego and/or self aggrandizement, or perhaps youthful inexperience. Perhaps your heart was in the right place but things didn't work out as you had imagined.

At any rate, I do think it is unfair of the establishment to club you for this 20 years later. They would be better served to stress their own accomplishments (if they have any) and ignore attacking you. But instead they use the typical IAM bully approach to debating. All I read from the IAM defenders is that Tim is all about Tim, etc.

What I do read, and observed in your videos, is that you seem to have ideas, and desire to make changes. (By the way, I am not part of your group and have no interest in this election, other than as an "experienced" observer.) For any one to believe that the IAM's antiquated, paternalistic, dictatorship has any interest in bettering the lives of the American workers, think again. You are simply a "unit of dues production" to them, lip service is to be paid to representation, while the "union" totally goes along with the globalist agenda of destroying the middle and working classes economically.

Can Tim Nelson change this? In my opinion, doubtful. Not because of lack of desire, or any unwillingness to work hard, but simply because the dice are loaded, the game is rigged. Free thinkers are not welcome in the IAM, as there are too many living large off your dues money and not inclined to change the game.

I can imagine how pissed off they would be should he actually win, and that would be priceless.

The IAM has never represented the fleet service group properly, and hasn't represented the other groups as it should have since the mid 1990's. It is long overdue for a reality check and a shake-up.

Tim, one thing I think you should change is to quit talking about RD so much and focus your time and energies on your platform and specific ideas for change. Don't get bogged down in the distractions offered by the IAM lackeys, focus on your vision for the group, your goals, and your values. Clearly define what you have to offer. Make the choice more clear for the voters, and resist the petty back and forth which wastes time, bandwidth, and accomplishes little for your cause.

I think your videos were creative, but would be more effective if you dropped the phony "I'm being interviewed and talking to the interviewer" approach. Look straight into the camera, introduce yourself, and state your case, be straight up. Everyone knows these are not out-takes from "60 minutes"! To this viewer, that comes off as a bit pretentious.
 
They are currently negotiating your/our tentative agreement aren't they? How could they be negotiating with AA? It's about M&A language to protect seniority in the EVENT that there is a merger. This was even discussed openly in the break rooms when the G/C made their rounds... it's no secret that strong M&A language is needed to protect members in possible future mergers!
Sorry I misunderstood. T/A, I was thinking Transision
 
what does that have to do with anything? The INTL has no say in how someone spends their check and how an individual wants to spend. What's your fuss?

regards,


Hmmmm....i've been reading and was wishing this would have never come about....BUT...it has. It's unsettling to say the least! But, it is what it is. ELECTION year. The surprise to me is that i never gave it a first thought that we could be changing horses in mid-stream of contract negotiations?...Makes me feel weak

I'm gonna have to think about this! Maybe have to regurgitate some past experiences. So ill start with just 1 question regarding giveback pay which i could give a rats arse about really. I consider it a campaign giveback.

How does one give part of ones salary back to ones employer without the tax consequences of the original Salary? Is there a non-profit organization hidden in all this Fricken mess?????????
 
Hmmmm....i've been reading and was wishing this would have never come about....BUT...it has. It's unsettling to say the least! But, it is what it is. ELECTION year. The surprise to me is that i never gave it a first thought that we could be changing horses in mid-stream of contract negotiations?...Makes me feel weak

I'm gonna have to think about this! Maybe have to regurgitate some past experiences. So ill start with just 1 question regarding giveback pay which i could give a rats arse about really. I consider it a campaign giveback.

How does one give part of ones salary back to ones employer without the tax consequences of the original Salary? Is there a non-profit organization hidden in all this Fricken mess?????????


A clearer way of putting it would be..... if i were giving back 1200 a month and i had whittled my taxes down to the 20% tax bracket? Wouldn't i be giving back actually $1440 ?
 
Hmmmm....i've been reading and was wishing this would have never come about....BUT...it has. It's unsettling to say the least! But, it is what it is. ELECTION year. The surprise to me is that i never gave it a first thought that we could be changing horses in mid-stream of contract negotiations?...Makes me feel weak

I'm gonna have to think about this! Maybe have to regurgitate some past experiences. So ill start with just 1 question regarding giveback pay which i could give a rats arse about really. I consider it a campaign giveback.

How does one give part of ones salary back to ones employer without the tax consequences of the original Salary? Is there a non-profit organization hidden in all this Fricken mess?????????

"33" I'm with you on this...

Remember how we fought in 08 just to get this point... right here on this site? We all believed in change... and we were able execute it. Remember who master minded the entire N/D platform? Remember how all of the focus was on Canale being inept?

Sounds familiar doesn't it? The folks we put into office on the US side have NOT even been given a chance to prove anything. All I hear... is Delaney this... and Delaney that...and what about HA! I'm sorry... but something just isn't right with this picture.

Further, starting completely over, and sending the occupy ticket through training will cost time... as well as Membership money! And... just to get things clarified... with the posters above... I'm not running for anything... I'm not even in a IAM position period. I'm a dues paying member who deserves to know the whole story.

In addition... I'm not supporting Delaney, but I'm not going to support megalomania and narcissism either. I've got way too much invested in this career. Which brings me to my next question... does the occupy president to be still support eliminating the IAM pension plan and replacing it with a 401k? I personally would like to keep the pension... I called the other day... and I'm up to almost $900.00 per month.
 
Roabily,
Roabily, you should receive my calls to stay objective. Also, you have not answered any of the questions I posed at you. Please educate yourself on each negotiations, to date, with the ND. Then engage with me on your opinion that our negotiations aren't on a collision course. Along the way, focus on the actual actions of the ND and not personal friendships. In many of these cases, your friends are also my friends, so don't think otherwise. Actually, Delaney is a nice man, probably a nicer guy than me.

As far as MB, he's overqualified for a trustee. I asked him to be on the occupy ticket but he declined. I have respect for him. But, as trustee, that is going to screw CLT even more because Delaney will be taking the LC from CLT and having him fly to SFO one week a month to go over the expense reports for United airlines members. How is that any justice for CLT or MB??? Cripes, I would never put someone like MB as a trustee. Trustee is an entry level position that is administrative in nature and spends one week a month going over receipts and expenses. Then they are also responsible for checking in folks at conventions. A sorta 'welcome wagon' if you will. Having MB as a trustee does harm to CLT and the processing of grievances. Makes no sense having him leave CLT to do expense reports in SFO, does it? But hey, Delaney and MB both are supporting PRez in PHX who Delaney thought was more qualified than MB to be an AGC, LOL. FWIW: I think MB would have made a good AGC but Delaney didn't and chose Prez.

Funny but here's how politics has worked out on the ND. MB doesn't support Prez, neither did MF. PR gets his arse handed to him at his own station and no US AIRWAYS ND candidate showed up to support PR since they can't stand him. That forced Delaney to make a trip to PHX, which I enjoyed handing him his arse right in front of him.

The Occupy 141 team has secured and blocked all US AIRWAYS hubs with the support of the masses. This accomplishment was the result of hard work and education, and it meant that we had to bypass entire committees and other establishment remnants to get our nominations.
Onward!


I have to agree with you on MB and MF. As for PF his boys need to show support.
 
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