Tim, I just watched a couple of your videos. Like I've said of your posts, you got some good ideas, and, IMO, some not so good ones. Watching the videos has me asking one question though. When's the last time you were drug tested?
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Tim,
Again you are deflecting and evading my questions and not really answering them. So I'll try one more time.
1. Is the commitment letter legaly binding?
2. Is the money for the "In-House" attorney coming out of the alleged "givebacks", and who pays the attorney if/WHEN the "givebacks" dont happen?
3. What recourse do we "the masses" have if/WHEN these "givebacks dont happen?
4. What makes the AGC's on your ticket more qualified than the current AGC's?
Seriously, why wont you honestly answer these questions, instead of evading and deflecting, and hope we just take your word for it? These are your campaign promises right? Your "Platform" so to speak? Wht can't you give the honest truth, and answer these questions without evading and deflecting?
To iaminformaer,
Are you jealous because you are not Irish? Are you running for any position in this election?
Again you are deflecting and evading my questions and not really answering them. So I'll try one more time.
1. Is the commitment letter legaly binding?
2. Is the money for the "In-House" attorney coming out of the alleged "givebacks", and who pays the attorney if/WHEN the "givebacks" dont happen?
3. What recourse do we "the masses" have if/WHEN these "givebacks dont happen?
4. What makes the AGC's on your ticket more qualified than the current AGC's?
Seriously, why wont you honestly answer these questions, instead of evading and deflecting, and hope we just take your word for it? These are your campaign promises right? Your "Platform" so to speak? Wht can't you give the honest truth, and answer these questions without evading and deflecting?
To iaminformaer,
Are you jealous because you are not Irish? Are you running for any position in this election?
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nobody is walking out on anything. This isn't a horse. This is a 9 inning baseball game and we are dealing with a starting pitcher who has a rubber arm and can't even get any of his members up to the plate. Nobody is starting over. You have someone in the bull pen who is ready to replace the starting pitcher. Not to start the game over but to pick up where he left off at. The RLA doesn't go 'back to the future' on these things. That's not the process. Regarding US AIRWAYS, your negotiations are in the top half of the first inning and nobody out. It's the perfect time. Especially when there is clear evidence that the starting pitcher has a 'very obvious' rubber arm and got blasted at Hawaiian, and got blasted at UA/CO. Why would we expect any difference at US AIRWAYS? He has no seniority blood so it wouldn't be beyond him to horse trade fleet service for the mechanics in any AMR swap. He has shown his commitment to you by removing one more US AIRWAYS person from his slate, thus, leaving you with less representation. In fact, every action he has made has been thoroughly insulting to any US AIRWAYS person, and any UA person who is not biased or informed. He made the occupy ticket and he has been the first president to make two tickets against him. Nobody wanted him to succeed more than myself. But after he signs no strike clauses to destroy the airtran members; the hawaaian airline contract to support management; and MOST IMPORTANTLY for US AIRWAYS members is to see how he handled the UA/CO negotiations. They are a disaster! After 3 years of talks he pulls the plug on UA only talks, unlike the other unions, and he enters transition talks which is a 3-5 year process. None of us can afford such ineptness. We must have a sense of urgency. We must have someone with passion and energy to finish the job and we must, above all, have the type of solidarity that simply does not currently exist and WONT exist unless we have a president who knows what the hell he is doing to build the type of solidarity that we need to move the company off of its old time position. You need a president that actually has a passion to do the job and will be out of the office 250 nights a year like I was when I led organizing. Delaney almost NEVER leaves his office. He only spent $6,000 in the latest LM2 filing which tells you explicitly that he went to 3 conventions and a few hot dog parties and that's it. I spent $30,000 on hotels because I was out in the field 250 nights and that's how you have to do these jobs. You need someone who is "ALL IN". My office will be my laptop, as it always is. I will be out there building teams and supporting the members by participating with them myself. That's how it is done. It's called leadership.
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I'm high on life necigrad. The drug of choice though is caffeine, as witnessed by my dunkin donuts coffee.
I was drug tested 4 months ago when I came back to the ramp. I passed!
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Huh?
Cripes, I answered these questions like 50 times already. Here goes again though.
The commitment letters are pledges or commitments only. They will not be breaking any laws and going to jail or getting sued. Again, I'm not trying to convince you, that's not the point of the givebacks.
At any rate, the 'in house' attorney is NOT going to be paid from any 'givebacks'. I know that the ND is out there saying "Where am I going to get the money to have an attorney?" Well, what they aren't telling you is that we already have attorneys contracted out at ridiculous cost to you. All I am doing is insourcing our legal services like most other unions. Make sense?
This is a fixed cost that is already inherent with IAM 141. By insourcing, we actually save thousands of dollars and cut out the high meter that runs by contracting out our legal services. The last LM2's showed that we spent $196,000 on contracting out our legal services. Usually we spend around $150,000 a year contracting out legal services. It makes better sense to insource and cut cost as we increase the legal resources for our AGC's and myself with legal services that aren't a long way from home. BTW, insourcing our legal services is not radical, it is normal and customary. What is ignorant is outsourcing the legal services.
The way that our district does business, we actually save money by having an attorney present in negotiations and arbitrations. Imagine that, save money and increase resources and support for our AGC's and me.
AGC + Attorney > AGC + Cell phone. Makes 'good sense'. Why you fighting me on this?
For a review of the money and attorney, please watch "The No Brainer of having our own Attorney"
I'm not sure if I can be any more transparent about all of these items.
Onward Occupy 141!
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OK Tim...
I have a question... you keep harping on me to get educated... especially on the HAL issue. Let me ask you this... where did you get YOUR education in this matter? Were you present? Did you review the transcripts of the negotiations?
Further, after I thought about it... the onus in not on ME to research anything! I'm not the one making the acquisitions, and I'm not the one running for President of the 141! So don't tell me when to chime in... what to research... what to post... or anything else for that matter. I do not answer to you... period! Further... the onus is on you to PROVE beyond any reasonable doubt that there was misrepresentation in regard to the HAL agreement.
Tim... you have entered an arena that all politicians have to deal with... inevitably you are going to have people like me call you out... disagree with you... and maybe even disrespect you to a degree. That's part of the cost of running... sometimes it's expensive...
I have a question... you keep harping on me to get educated... especially on the HAL issue. Let me ask you this... where did you get YOUR education in this matter? Were you present? Did you review the transcripts of the negotiations?
Further, after I thought about it... the onus in not on ME to research anything! I'm not the one making the acquisitions, and I'm not the one running for President of the 141! So don't tell me when to chime in... what to research... what to post... or anything else for that matter. I do not answer to you... period! Further... the onus is on you to PROVE beyond any reasonable doubt that there was misrepresentation in regard to the HAL agreement.
Tim... you have entered an arena that all politicians have to deal with... inevitably you are going to have people like me call you out... disagree with you... and maybe even disrespect you to a degree. That's part of the cost of running... sometimes it's expensive...
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Tim... I made a commitment to get in shape and lose 30 lbs... it still ain't happened! Do you really think we believe these folks will follow an 'honor system' when it comes to thousands of dollars in your "giveback program"?
It reminds me of a time many years ago when I was a kid... a neighbor left a huge box of candy on their porch at Halloween with a sign attached to it that read... "Take a few pieces, only we are out" Apparently, the neighbors had gone to a party, and when we arrived... there was an older dude dressed as hobo scooping multiple handfuls of candy into a pillow case. When he was done... the only thing left was the box and the sign!
Case in point... I learned very early in life about commitments and honor systems... like a previous poster stated, this platform sound bite is beyond ludicrous... drop it... and you might get some credibility!
P.S. Watched some of your vids... you got the whole Mafia Don thing goin' on...
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Niblet,
That is an honest and sincere pledge, and I'm certain that you were committed to it when you signed. Just one question... do you personally feel that you as an individual will NEVER need the full salary once you are in office? Would you actually continue to "Give-Back" the money if you really needed it... let's just say in a medical situation or a life crisis?
Don't let Tim coach on this... your honesty will be worth ten times the value of the promise....
And yes... I'm a lot like you... I've been a union supporter since I was a teenager... as was my father (Retired Airline). I have been around the block a time or two... keep that OPEN mind... and don't get blinded by the light of false promise...
I have made a promise and fully intend on keeping it. My word is my bond to anyone who listens to me. As for life event issues or life altering events are part of life. Things happen, some good and some bad. I've personally been through two bankruptcies. I've also been divorced and now remarried. I'm a survivor in this world. I have no reason to lie or would I ever want to. I believe if something were to happen to me I've been blessed with tons of family and friends who would be more than happy to take care of me. I'm also insured for such events. Not a lot of money but hopefully enough to get by on. I'm not wanting anything bad to happen to me or anyone else. Once the salaries are cut givebacks wont be needed. I believe some are overpaid for the little work they do. While others are under paid for the work they do. Where I sit I don't see many under paid, except for maybe the committee chairs. Most of us committee chairs don't want paid and are not looking for recognition. We do it because its in our blood and its the right thing to do. Weather I move on to AGC or not I will continue to my best for the membership. I will continue to learn and grow. I believe it was Mike33 that said its the company we are up against not ourselves.
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Thanks... I appreciate your honesty... but... from what I gather; you "intend" to keep the promise. That is exactly what it is... a promise... and that's what we have been trying to expose here. It's a campaign promise that has no real means of enforcement or regulation.
In my opinion it was cleverly crafted to play on a long festering "sore-spot" the membership has had for years regarding AGC, and officer pay. The give-back issue inflames the membership, and polarizes them toward occupy. Once occupy is in office, there is no way to guarantee that the give-back's will continue... or even be honored for that matter....pretty clever I must admit.
Anyway... thank you for the honest, civil, and intelligent discussion in this matter. After reading your post... it is apparent to me that you are a survivor. Those life experiences are worth more than any promise.
Good luck in all of your endeavors....
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Tim not to confuse those who are new, mainly the new members , but you know as well as i do that you are not just changing the " Pitcher" ! Its the whle slate. The only person that i recognize is BK who loss to RR in the last election. So you leave the impression you are taking Delaneys' place but in reality its not so. There could be a Top to Bpttom " replacement.
Am i willing to change hats now?....Probably not!. Maybe you should have thought about heading the Ticket 4 yrs ago? I for one appreciate what you've done BUT !............ The jobs not finished as i see it. Proof will be in the foot print the current Team leaves us.
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Roabily, you engaged in the discussion and made some comments that are simply not supported. So I challenged you to reference your comments. It's a fair thing to ask.
At any rate, a clear mind is all that is needed since everything the ND has signed has supported management. The HAL airline agreement is a good witness. I don't need to go over any negotiations notes, the contract is suitable enough to show the ineptness of the ND in negotiations. I know that Delaney was on alot of side bar calls with HAL on this trying to work in the ready reserve. But, the witness to all of this is contained in the contract. And, to be sure, the ND does try, but they continue to get their arse kicked and hoodwinked since they have chosen to negotiate without any professionals. And I don't put myself above that. The difference is that my ego isn't big enough to blind me into thinking that I can match up in a battle of wit with attorneys over legal items. And contracts are 'legal items'. We need an attorney present on our side. The company isn't that stupid not to have an attorney, and other unions aren't that stupid, and neither should we be.
Regarding the HAL contract. Prior to the signed T/A, one of the negotiations updates is as follows: Part Time
"The union position is equal pay for equal work.
In reviewing the contracts for US Air, Alaska and Southwest it was noted that they have no different pay scale for part time and full time. We agree that there should be a progressive longevity pay scale for part time agents. Many examples were explored and computed with the financial officers of the company with proposals and counter proposals."
Of course, the ND buckled completely and also ended up even adding new part time. Ready reserve Part timers topping out at $10 at the most expensive state. Regular part timers topping out at different pay than Full time. Members have to pay for parking. Anti union ready reserve that Delaney himself brought over from Delta. 45% part time + ready reserve part time that doesn't count against the cap. Full timers at $19 buck an hour. Throw in the fact that the ND also signed on to have these part timers pay for parking. R U FREAKN KIDDN ME???
At, UA/CO, The ND scrapped 3 years of talks and sunk the membership into transition talks. AFA and IBT told United to go pound salt until their members received some considerations before helping the company move things forward in transition talks. The IBT received $59 million for its mechanics JUST TO ENTER TALKS. The AFA received $40 million JUST TO ENTER TALKS. In fact, they are in the same talks that the ND is in now but the ND got nothing for their membership. And never mind the ND secret agreement at US AIRWAYS that supports management. Then throw in the ND no strike agreement a few days after we organized airtran.
Roabily, EVERY SINGLE ND negotiations to date has been a disaster. What exactly has the ND negotiations accomplished ANYWHERE on ANY PROPERTY other than complete destruction. The realization that the ND has failed was stressful on me and when you come to the realization, it will be disheartening to you also. But, my choice was to give up, be a bobblehead, or finally lead the damn thing myself. I never placed myself on a ballot, my ego isn't as big as some give me credit for...oh its big but not big enough where my name has to be on a ballot. I sidestepped and let others have a shot at it. But I owe it to myself and the membership now and this is the time. But, make no mistake, nobody wanted the ND to succeed more than myself but I never signed on to organize folks just to have the ND take the management sword and spear them.
Yes, Roabily, the onus is upon me to prove to you that the ND is not worthy of your vote, and in fact has shown it is incapable. Also, I have put forth my ideas, and the distinct advantages of having me as President over him. And yes, some will vote for the status quo and some will vote to move things forward.
However, the onus is also upon you when you make unsubstantiated claims and offer up no references or citations. When you refer to the sacred US AIRWAYS negotiations and make unsupported comments that things will start over, what are you referencing? Also, what are you referencing when you said that section 6 talks would have to be suspended pending any merger?? I find most of your argument baseless regarding the process of negotiations. Is USAPA going to be set back if they elect a new President this month? Did, ALPA UA go backwards when they put in a new president last year in the middle of talks? What about suspensions of section 6 talks??? Where did you get that from? Did you know that 3 unions, including IAM 142 signed contracts after a merger was announced? Did you know that AFA and IBT signed contracts during the merger and before transition talks? The only one that seems to be having a problem is IAM 141 and it is primarily because the ND has an ego the size of Texas and just doesn't listen to anyone. They just don't listen.
As far as your opinions about the give backs. I'll give you points for your argument. Like I said, I don't expect anyone to believe it nor was that the intention. But, PJ and others are also incorrect in that they say the givebacks are BS. They do not know that. Better for PJ to say "that the givebacks are political in nature , I don't believe it, and I'll wait and see if it really happens, and if it does, I'll give Tim Nelson credit." I really don't have a dispute with the disbelief, cripes I understand it!
Going back to the negotiations argument, will you support the ND if they go 2 or 3 years of negotiations, then decide to 'restart' negotiations and do new surveys, etc. and go into transition talks for another 3-5 years? You do know that the ND did brand new surveys, etc., after two years don't you? What will be the difference between the ND actions in a UA/CO merger, and their actions in a AMR/US merger?
I'm not saying that the UA AGC's wanted to scrap negotiations but they reduced themselves down to bobbleheads. The same will happen with the US AIRWAYS AGC"s. Why do you think they will stand up for you when they stood down for you just one month ago??? When Delaney pimped off one more US AIRWAYS representative then threw on PR who everyone despises, including his own station, why did your AGC's stand down? Where was their balls at?
They stood down on PR, threw MB under the bus as a trustee, and pimped off one more US AIRWAYS spot? How do you answer that one? Where was MF when he was instructed to support PR? He stood down, that's where he is. Where was MF when it was made clear to him that you would lose one more US AIRWAYS Rep? I'll tell you where MF was, he was sitting in the ORD local with MC and PP telling them that "CLT WAS HIS" and that he didn't need any help because he had CLT on Lockdown for Delaney.
Also, you never did tell me, do you support less US AIRWAYS representatives like MF does? Even with backlogs of grievances?
I am not the bad guy Roabily, I'm not the one stripping your representation. I'm not the one signing sellout contracts and secret station closings. I'm the one advocating for more US AIRWAYS representation and more of a sense of urgency in negotiations. And I'm advocating the complete abolishment of the walls that have held this union back in the last century. I'm trying Roabily, Im trying. Maybe I'm a bit more arrogant than I should be but something gotta give.
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The proof is in the footprint that the ND team has already left. To have tunnel vision and only focus on US AIRWAYS and not look at how the ND has been like a tornado damaging everything in sight does serious harm to justice.
I have been on this site unpacking everything, and I am not the least bit surprised that those who don't want change can't offer up any opinion to counter the terrible actions of the ND to date. In fact, I don't believe anyone can offer up anything that the ND has actually done in 4 years. And you want to keep the course? What has the ND done?
The proof is already determined, based on the actions of the ND in the last 4 years. If you broaden your focus to include UA/CO and HAL, you will see that the only reason why the tornado hasn't hit you yet at US AIRWAYS is because your group was on deck and not at the plate yet. [BTW, the secret negotiations supporting the lockout did violate you] . Makes no logical sense to keep the ND. None. Not if we base it on things they have already done.
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Really 700?
Please stop believing hearsay and do your own research. All you do is run your mouth about nothing with no substantiation other than 3rd hand hearsay. Again, I am not the least surprised that you were not only on IAM negotiations but you also negotiated yourself out of a job. Sheesh.
NATIONAL MEDIATION BOARD
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20572
24 NMB No. 17
November 12, 1996
Robert A. Siegel, Esq.
O'Melveny & Myers
400 South Hope Street
Los Angeles, CA 90071
Mr. George J. Kourpias, Int'l President
International Association of Machinists
& Aerospace Workers
9000 Machinists Place
Upper Marlboro, MD 20772
Daniel M. Katz, Esq.
Katz & Ranzman, P.C.
1015 18th Street, N.W., Suite 801
Washington, DC 20036
Re: NMB Case No. R-6435
USAir, Inc.
Gentlemen:
This determination addresses the appeals of
Mediator Gale L. Oppenberg's August 23, 1996
eligibility rulings concerning certain Passenger
Service Employees of USAir.
I.
On April 24, 1996, the International Association
of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (<<<IAM>>>) filed an
application alleging a representation dispute pursuant
to the Railway Labor Act, 45 U.S.C. (sect)152, Ninth, among
Passenger Service Employees of USAir. On April 25,
1996, the Communications Workers of America (<<<CWA>>>) also
filed an application covering the same craft or class.
These applications were docketed as NMB Case No. R-
-38-
24 NMB No. 17
6435. Passenger Service Employees on USAir are
currently unrepresented.
In this case, the Mediator appropriately followed
Section 6.6 and Section 6.8, which provides that the
participants may "review the eligibility list before
the Mediator makes the required recommendation to the
Board concerning the showing of interest."
As the result of the investigation and the
Board's review of the record, the Board finds that <<<CWA>>>
has furnished a sufficient number of authorization
cards in support of its application but that the <<<IAM>>>
has failed to support its application with a
sufficient showing of interest. The Board finds a
dispute to exist in R-6435 among Passenger Service
Employees of USAir. An all mail ballot election is
hereby authorized using a cut-off date of April 21,
1996 with <<<CWA>>> on the ballot. The count will take
place in Washington, DC.
By direction of the NATIONAL MEDIATION BOARD.
Crable
Chief of Staff
CC: Tom A. Jerman, Esq.
Betty Leach-Hawkins, Esq.
Mr. William L. Scheri
Mr. James R. Sprang
James B. Coppess, Esq.
Mr. Morton Bahr
Unfortunately, I had to call the NMB and waste about one hour of my time this morning obtaining documentation because you wanted to keep lying to everyone. Obviously, you knew full well of this since you claimed that you were part of the 1725 organizing team. I have no problem discussing things with you 700 as you prove useful to me in getting my points across. But, the discussions could be enhanced if you did reference some of the things that you berate about that are only myth.
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BTW, changing leadership prior to a new contract is normal and customary. The Pilots at United elected a new leader this past October in the middle of their joint contract talks. USAPA is in the middle of officer elections on US AIRWAYS. Nobody starts back at zero like the ND supporters are saying. NOBODY. The RLA does not permit management to push start new negotiations. Changing leaders is the same thing as changing pitchers in a baseball game. New Pitcher picks up right where the old pitcher was removed. The added feature for the US AIRWAYS ramp is that this is the first inning so any argument that suggest a push start back to the beginning is not only myth but also unsupported with substantial talks.
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