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There are I think FOUR employees in Labor Relations. They're meeting just about every week with a work group for negotiations. As 700 said ourselves, MX and the FAs are in negotiations. There four people have to attend the meetings 3 weeks out of the just over four in a month, review and respond to proposals plus develop proposals of their own for each week, deal with the pilots pissing match, handle grievances from every organized workgroup, and advise management on questions of contract issues. I probably forgot a thing or three too.

My point is that DL 141 can't do anything about this. I've said this before, apparently I was ignored. Should the company have more LR people? Maybe, I can argue that both ways. The simple fact, however, is that you idiots are making accusations of failings when you don't even know what's going on! It matters not one iota who gets elected, the pace of negotiations will be unchanged, unless RD is replaced and his successor chooses to tamper with it. You can elect the Lord himself to the position and it won't speed up negotiations, unless He chooses to make days longer then 24 hours.
necigrad,
I am simply pointing out the obvious regarding the pace of negotiations. I never insinuated this was a failing of our district. Just that a change in leadership would not have any impact on negotiations. You seem to be sympathetic that the company is overwhelmed by their lack of staffing. My point, as I have stated earlier, is the company is in no hurry to reach a new CBA with us or any other labor group on the property. This should be evident to all. Likewise, what should be evident to all Fleet Service at US Airways, is to not put too much credence into the notion that we should not change leadership because it would set us back in negotiations. You have said it yourself, "the pace of negotiations will be unchanged". Please don't call me Shirley or an idiot.
ograc
 
Or just head back to the lav truck :blink:


You know, "Callahan", this must be the tenth snide remark about lav trucks and 700 I've read from you in the past month. Ironic, you spew the same ignorance and prejudice that Move2CLT tosses at you when he dismisses your opinions and advises you to go back to your beltloader. You are both talking like a-holes. I know a multitude of very intelligent and educated employees at US that work in blue collar positions and do their job well and are interesting and vibrant intellects. Just because someone doesn't wear a suit to work doesn't mean their intellectual capacity is lacking, or that their opinions are less valid than anyone else. People who denigrate other folks jobs and look down their noses at people who perform work that is snobbishly seen as "beneath" their own are pretentious jerks.

You are too ignorant of the subjects being discussed to come up with any original intelligent contributions, so you sit back and lob little comments such as the above, and are quick to gang up on anyone being attacked. I've seen your simplistic ganging on several times and experienced your intellectual dishonesty when I told you about Sparrowhawk (your hero) being a failed applicant to US Airways, you derided me. You were wrong, again... and SH admitted it when I called him out on it. You were never man enough to admit you didn't know what you were talking about.

I know exactly who 700 is, where and when he worked, and his history with the union and the company. On the job I thought he was lazy, arrogant, and pretty much a loud mouth know it all. He has also not been quite forthcoming about the circumstances of his departure from the company, but that is another story. In no way would one assume I'm his staunch defender. I do appreciate his unwavering support for the workers at US, even though I lament his blind allegiance to the IAM socialistic and globalistic industrialist goals.

That being said, he is quite knowledgeable about union policy, the structure of the international, the history of labor relations at US, and reading what he has written in this thread, aside from his personal venom towards Tim Nelson, his representation of the facts and procedures has been accurate. You may not want to admit that he knows a heck of a lot more about unions and company history than you and most of your fleet service coworkers do, but it's a solid fact.

"Members" who are too lazy or indifferent to even check a website for updates have no justification in whining on this site.

I have said that the IAM does a horrible job of communicating to the membership, and Tim Nelson is correct when he says that it is by design. The IAM wants the dues paying slugs to be ignorant of the behind the scenes dealing and manipulations.

I don't know Tim Nelson. He is correct in that the IAM needs a makeover and a shakeup. He may not be the right person to do it because of his controversial pattern of behavior in the past, but things do need to come into the 21st century. Doug and his right hand man Jerry are laughing all the way to the bank on your money due to the incompetence and dysfunctional union leadership.

700 has tried to share with some of you on here some facts based on his experience and knowledge, and your bias and prejudice are keeping you ignorant.
 
Dilligas,

I know you and I havent seen eye to on eye things, but thanks for the kind words.

And I wasnt lazy, I had to sign off on all my work and turn in it every night, but thanks.

Its so funny on here when a posted cant debate or refute facts, they attack the poster.

Funny I was a Stock Clerk when I left the company, and yes if you want to PM me, I will tell you, I did walk away from it.

I had 10 years as Utility and 7 as a Stock Clerk.
 
All you haters out there shouldn't be afraid to actually look at the IAM web page before you bash about no communication. Is it perfect, no, but it isn't how you portray it either.
 
Wrong, Tim did The Big Picture. Your thinking of the A-Bin News which was done by John Aulicino.

That is correct... TIM did the "Big-Picture"... it had is name all over it! I am attempting to locate an actual copy... should be interesting!
 
You know, "Callahan", this must be the tenth snide remark about lav trucks and 700 I've read from you in the past month. Ironic, you spew the same ignorance and prejudice that Move2CLT tosses at you when he dismisses your opinions and advises you to go back to your beltloader. You are both talking like a-holes. I know a multitude of very intelligent and educated employees at US that work in blue collar positions and do their job well and are interesting and vibrant intellects. Just because someone doesn't wear a suit to work doesn't mean their intellectual capacity is lacking, or that their opinions are less valid than anyone else. People who denigrate other folks jobs and look down their noses at people who perform work that is snobbishly seen as "beneath" their own are pretentious jerks.

You are too ignorant of the subjects being discussed to come up with any original intelligent contributions, so you sit back and lob little comments such as the above, and are quick to gang up on anyone being attacked. I've seen your simplistic ganging on several times and experienced your intellectual dishonesty when I told you about Sparrowhawk (your hero) being a failed applicant to US Airways, you derided me. You were wrong, again... and SH admitted it when I called him out on it. You were never man enough to admit you didn't know what you were talking about.

I know exactly who 700 is, where and when he worked, and his history with the union and the company. On the job I thought he was lazy, arrogant, and pretty much a loud mouth know it all. He has also not been quite forthcoming about the circumstances of his departure from the company, but that is another story. In no way would one assume I'm his staunch defender. I do appreciate his unwavering support for the workers at US, even though I lament his blind allegiance to the IAM socialistic and globalistic industrialist goals.

That being said, he is quite knowledgeable about union policy, the structure of the international, the history of labor relations at US, and reading what he has written in this thread, aside from his personal venom towards Tim Nelson, his representation of the facts and procedures has been accurate. You may not want to admit that he knows a heck of a lot more about unions and company history than you and most of your fleet service coworkers do, but it's a solid fact.

"Members" who are too lazy or indifferent to even check a website for updates have no justification in whining on this site.

I have said that the IAM does a horrible job of communicating to the membership, and Tim Nelson is correct when he says that it is by design. The IAM wants the dues paying slugs to be ignorant of the behind the scenes dealing and manipulations.

I don't know Tim Nelson. He is correct in that the IAM needs a makeover and a shakeup. He may not be the right person to do it because of his controversial pattern of behavior in the past, but things do need to come into the 21st century. Doug and his right hand man Jerry are laughing all the way to the bank on your money due to the incompetence and dysfunctional union leadership.

700 has tried to share with some of you on here some facts based on his experience and knowledge, and your bias and prejudice are keeping you ignorant.

I'm in full agreement here... I used to "dawg" 700 myself in the 2008 Nelson vs. Canale shake-up! After that... I got involved with the IAM and participated in various educational courses. It was then that I realized... he (700) is right! Often his curt responses will induce some ire... (they did for me)... but what he is telling you is FACT!

We are so focused on our own perceptions of our own reality that we forget who the enemy actually is ... hint... it is not ourselves! Sometimes we have to simply face facts... this is not the Wild West... we cannot challenge the Company to a duel at high-noon! Nelson, nor anyone else for that matter can actually change anything of any significance in the short term.

The only actual "tools" available to this Membership are contained in a "rusty ol' tool box"... and they are... Solidarity, Education, and Perseverance! Do not let Nelson be the sole provider of your knowledge or perspective... he talks a good charismatic game for sure... but, there is a whole lot more to the story than his interpretation of reality!

In solidarity...

BroBilly
 
Amen Niblet, Change is needed and I don't by the crap about weakening our chances by giving the lethargic Agc's we have now another four years of big money and no service.

And I guess your AGC's come with a lifetime warranty that covers the perception of lethargy? Further, I also assume that I'm supposed to just take your word along with Tim's... and accept this as our reality, and usher the new AGC's into the coveted six figure club?

Not happening... I didn't just fall off of the turnip wagon!
 
That is correct... TIM did the "Big-Picture"... it had is name all over it! I am attempting to locate an actual copy... should be interesting!

Dear Mister Roabilly,

While you are looking for the "Big Picture", how about your own "big picture" with my questions I posed to you as for a list of New Direction team accomplishments during these nearly 4 years? And if it does not require the advice of legal assistance, what's your reason for your continued robust defense of "Car 54"? There wouldn't be money involved, would there?

So Resubmits Jester.
 
If nothing according to you is going to change. The question would be what do you have to lose?
Niblet,

What experience does your AGC candidates running on your ticket have? Especially the ones running out of the hubs CLT, PHL, and PHX. What makes them qualified for the AGC positions? Have they done any grievance hearings? Have they had any training like shop steward, leadership1, 2, and 3, etc.. I think alot of the members would like to know the answers to these questions before the election.
 
necigrad,
I am simply pointing out the obvious regarding the pace of negotiations. I never insinuated this was a failing of our district. Just that a change in leadership would not have any impact on negotiations. You seem to be sympathetic that the company is overwhelmed by their lack of staffing. My point, as I have stated earlier, is the company is in no hurry to reach a new CBA with us or any other labor group on the property. This should be evident to all. Likewise, what should be evident to all Fleet Service at US Airways, is to not put too much credence into the notion that we should not change leadership because it would set us back in negotiations. You have said it yourself, "the pace of negotiations will be unchanged". Please don't call me Shirley or an idiot.
ograc

Actually, you did just that by suggesting that the pace of negotiations could be changed with new leaders...

April 23 until May 28 until the next round of negotiations. As I stated earlier negotiations at a snail's pace. Meeting once a month at best. The parties are dancing and that's it! I don't consider this true contract negotiations. A change in leadership will not have any "adverse" affect on negotiations. Subsequently, a change in leadership may have a positive affect, regarding negotiating a new CBA. Again, this election is about a vote of "no confidence" or "confidence" regarding the existing leadership team. Are we content with the status quo or do we vote for an avenue to change course? If we want to change course we need to be careful we are not jumping from the frying pan into the fire.
ograc

As to me being 'sympathetic' to the company, I'm not. I'm simply pointing out the facts. If there are four people to do everything, and the workload is enough for six, or eight, or whatever, it's not going to go faster.
I certainly can make a case for the company. It's not cost effective to overstaff a department temporarily simply for negotiations. I can also argue against that by saying that the company is obligated, and if they need more staff they should hire more people.

Also, you're not the only person saying things like this. Many are implying that the NC isn't meeting with the company enough, but as far as I can tell I'm the only one that tried to find out the full situation.
 
And I guess your AGC's come with a lifetime warranty that covers the perception of lethargy? Further, I also assume that I'm supposed to just take your word along with Tim's... and accept this as our reality, and usher the new AGC's into the coveted six figure club?

Not happening... I didn't just fall off of the turnip wagon!
No, don't take my word. I'm just telling my experience that is happening at my workplace and I'm not happy with the bang for the buck. Change is in the air, the district needs to loose the " only game in town attitude", cause if there is a merger they could be voted out. Bill Genovese never thought he was going to loose his empire but where is he now.
 
Niblet,

What experience does your AGC candidates running on your ticket have? Especially the ones running out of the hubs CLT, PHL, and PHX. What makes them qualified for the AGC positions? Have they done any grievance hearings? Have they had any training like shop steward, leadership1, 2, and 3, etc.. I think alot of the members would like to know the answers to these questions before the election.

I asked this question many pages ago, and never received an adequate response. It seems “Tim’s Team” remains cloaked in mystery… with the exception of Niblet… and I think one or two others that have briefly come forward here, but that’s it.

This lack of transparency is yet another “Red-Flag” in this Occupy farce. We are only getting Tim’s personal views and perceptions for the most part. Basically…Tim is a one man band pounding the drums of change just as he has for the last twenty years!

Just look at the title of his video… ‘Why am “I” running’! Further, if you watch any of these videos… you will see only Tim… and hear only Tim’s opinion!

Tim attempted to discredit my observation that educating his entire team would cost time and money… and we still may not end up with the caliber of knowledge and talent we have now! Further, when you add experience to the equation… there is no way to determine the value of these individuals that Tim just want's to dismiss because they wouldn't join him in this ludicrous occupy idea!
 
Niblet,

What experience does your AGC candidates running on your ticket have? Especially the ones running out of the hubs CLT, PHL, and PHX. What makes them qualified for the AGC positions? Have they done any grievance hearings? Have they had any training like shop steward, leadership1, 2, and 3, etc.. I think alot of the members would like to know the answers to these questions before the election.
Fair question. They are on Facebook and I'm not too much. I've been in this site for several years now and it seem to suit me. They have answered your questions on Facebook and I would suggest you check it out before I answer for them. I will if they want me too, so I'll ask them and get back to you. I hope this is suffice for now. I'm a busy guy with a few grievences left to go to step three and one termination case. I check this page because its not blocked yet. Feel free to ask me direct questions and I can answer for myself faster.
 
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