Fleet Service apathy

[no more cuts]

Vote however you want. I am not ready to "change" again and start back from square 1. Nobody on here except for Tim, wants to nor, IMO, has the ability to do what the AGC's do. With that said, if we try to form our own union or even change unions, we take the chance of a decertification, and if that happenes we all better grab our anlkes, so I doubt you would get much support to do that at this point.

PJ how would you feel if RDU was next on the chopping block and got whacked 5 months earlier than contractually allowed and the prez promised
to expedite it to arbitration only to cut a deal with the company and give us something we would have F&*King earned if they just followed
the contract. If I were you and all my other brothers / sisters in small citys I would be very concerned about there future. It seems like
the union is helping the company to facilitate cutting all cities except hubs and focus .

 

[saywhat]

PJ how would you feel if RDU was next on the chopping block and got whacked 5 months earlier than contractually allowed and the prez promised
to expedite it to arbitration only to cut a deal with the company and give us something we would have F&*King earned if they just followed
the contract. If I were you and all my other brothers / sisters in small citys I would be very concerned about there future. It seems like
the union is helping the company to facilitate cutting all cities except hubs and focus .

no more cuts,

How about everybody look at the contract and ponder this scenario. SNA, MSY, BUF etc. flight schedule allowed the company to outsource these cities based on last years April 2010 to April 2011 schedule but couldn't until December 31st, 2011. RD actually IMO got these people money that they may have not received if the arbitration would have taken place. That would be 3.B.3. ( c ) on page 8 for those of you who care to look at the contract.

 

[Tim Nelson]

no more cuts,

How about everybody look at the contract and ponder this scenario. SNA, MSY, BUF etc. flight schedule allowed the company to outsource these cities based on last years April 2010 to April 2011 schedule but couldn't until December 31st, 2011. RD actually IMO got these people money that they may have not received if the arbitration would have taken place. That would be 3.B.3. ( c ) on page 8 for those of you who care to look at the contract.

Say What,

The BUF and IND employees were lied to by their AGC's when their AGC's said they wanted Rich to fast track the arbitration but then flipped like pancakes. Then Rich himself told all of us in the messenger that he also believed the company moved on the stations 'prematurely' ( his words) and that he was going to fast track it to arbitration. As you know, the contention was the timeframe, and not just the 3B3c as you quoted. Further, the prior normal and customary timeframe was done exactly by the timeframe that is consistent in the contract, i.e., April to April. The AGC's also agreed with this along with Rich. Then he flipped like a pancake at arbitration day and supported the continued lockout of those employees because, as the LOA says, "...whereas the company and union desire to resolve this dispute in order to avoid the expenditure of additional time and resources," Rich simply didn't want to spend any additional monies as he said in the agreement and he didn't want to spend any more time on this matter. His words, not mine.

For conversation, let's say Delaney puts it to arbitration and then he loses it. What do the BUF employees who transfer lose? $500 moving cost?? How much after tax would that be? Probably about 350 bucks. So they could have lost $350 if the arbitration would have lost, right?

OTOH, what would they gain if it was won? At least 4 more months at home and on the job.

This was a non precedent since it would have opened up the RDU, the JAX, the MIA's to being cut at any time during the year, as opposed to the timeframe.

At any rate, were there any IND or BUF locals who asked Rich to waive off arbitration? I know many of the BUF and IND folks affected, I hadn't found one who wanted the $350 bucks to waive off their jobs. I talked to PB extensively about this and also Tony B the LC from IND. Both informed me that they were in fact sold out and I think their opinions on this matter are far greater than mine or yours. The shameful thing is that this was their grievance and that Delaney didn't consult them as he agreed to support the lockout for what amounted to a payment of $350 bucks.

Sheesh,

A full reading of this LOA, including its confidentiality clause can be found here

regards,

 

[saywhat]

Say What,

The BUF and IND employees were lied to by their AGC's when their AGC's said they wanted Rich to fast track the arbitration but then flipped like pancakes. Then Rich himself told all of us in the messenger that he also believed the company moved on the stations 'prematurely' ( his words) and that he was going to fast track it to arbitration. As you know, the contention was the timeframe, and not just the 3B3c as you quoted. Further, the prior normal and customary timeframe was done exactly by the timeframe that is consistent in the contract, i.e., April to April. The AGC's also agreed with this along with Rich. Then he flipped like a pancake at arbitration day and supported the continued lockout of those employees because, as the LOA says, "...whereas the company and union desire to resolve this dispute in order to avoid the expenditure of additional time and resources," Rich simply didn't want to spend any additional monies as he said in the agreement and he didn't want to spend any more time on this matter. His words, not mine.

For conversation, let's say Delaney puts it to arbitration and then he loses it. What do the BUF employees who transfer lose? $500 moving cost?? How much after tax would that be? Probably about 350 bucks. So they could have lost $350 if the arbitration would have lost, right?

OTOH, what would they gain if it was won? At least 4 more months at home and on the job.

This was a non precedent since it would have opened up the RDU, the JAX, the MIA's to being cut at any time during the year, as opposed to the timeframe.

At any rate, were there any IND or BUF locals who asked Rich to waive off arbitration? I know many of the BUF and IND folks affected, I hadn't found one who wanted the $350 bucks to waive off their jobs. I talked to PB extensively about this and also Tony B the LC from IND. Both informed me that they were in fact sold out and I think their opinions on this matter are far greater than mine or yours. The shameful thing is that this was their grievance and that Delaney didn't consult them as he agreed to support the lockout for what amounted to a payment of $350 bucks.

Sheesh,

A full reading of this LOA, including its confidentiality clause can be found here

regards,

Tim,

I have not talked to anyone who was outsourced but am not surprised that they are pissed. I don't think you could find anyone who would be ok with this. This outsourcing sucks but the ND didn't write this language nor did they ask for the company to outsource our Brothers and Sisters in these cities. I will say that the communication of how all this went down was lacking. The Negotiating team has to focus on the scope and successor language above all other issues IMO.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,

2 things. First, I asked what you would do when the company says "if you do not sign the confidentiality agreement, no talks", not what has happened at other airlines regarding this. I specificaly asked for US. Do you honestly think the company will agree to this? This company, you know the one we work for? With the history of, well you know the history. Because you and I both know the company will not go for not signing a confidentiality agreement, you just do not want to admit it. Do you remember when I first became local chairman in RDU? You were a tremdous help during that time. I considered you a true asset, I called you for advice, and for help writing a few grievances. Now, sadly, you sound like a bitter ex-wife that wants to destroy their ex-husband for leaving them. Also, I do not have blinders on, beause I disagree with you, I have a differing opinion than yours, and for that you say I am wrong. As far as the UA local chairman running, good for them, they are a solid union person and should be able to do some good over at UA for them. I may even vote for them. Did anybody meet you in PHX on your way to SAN? and Who is Gus anyway?

PJ,
Item 1: I brought up other airlines because I think you have to consider the other cases where other unions didn't sign confidentiality clauses. I think that is significant and it wasn't a problem, provided the other unions didn't want to dabble into additional financial information that is not already exhausted from SEC filings. Plus, the company is required to negotiate under law so I'm not sure why the company would freak out and violate the law and do something when we aren't actively soliciting additional financials. But, in theory, if the company took a stance that it would refuse to negotiate due to the union not signing a confidentiality or maybe because the union negotiators didn't all wear ties, then I suppose the first action would be a legal one that would most certainly be a victory for labor. One can ask your question regarding everything. For instance, what do you do if the company refuses to give pay raises? Well, what do you do PJ? What's your answer, I'm curious? However, if I get into a situation where it's beneficial to sign a letter of agreement, then I would simply sign it and let the members vote on it and proceed from there. There isn't any fuss. The key is that the membership must be informed, transparency must be in play, for even the slightest idea of having solidarity. Members have to be informed.

At any rate, I spoke to someone on the negotiations team [I have spoke to 4 of them within the last 30 days] and this one particular one said the company will NOT, 'can't', 'won't', and a few other beaten down words when talking about some transparency issues, and he is simply ignorant on how to move a company off of its position. His assumption was simply to believe the company and he had absolutely no idea on his initial leverage or how to increase his leverage. Truly ignorant stuff man. In fact, I have been an IAM member since 1999 and I have heard "The company won't do this", "The company can't do that" yada yada yada so it is no wonder why your group has the most repulsive contract. When your negotiators sound like your managers mouthpiece, then you know something is wrong. Doesn't mean the negotiator is a company prick, just that he/she is in way over their head.

Item 2: PJ, comparing me to a bitter housewife?? C'mon maaaaaaaaaannnnnnnn, show me some respect bro. Why would I be bitter when I iniitated the firing and cleaned out my locker two months before the decision to be fired [presuming that is what you are referencing???]. The weight was lifted off of my shoulders bro since I simply could not support a man who I considered a fraud and friend of management, through his actions. I didn't ask to be fired but I apprehended that if I tell the Prez that I'm running against him that he will whack me. I still hold no ill will on the man, I'm just excited to be running for President and furthering the constitution. I owed it to myself and the membership. So, I don't know what the fuss would be???

Item 3: Who met me in PHX on my way to SAN? Why do you ask? Does it mean something to you? I did in fact run into someone going out to SAN but I'm not sure of the significance you are after. Coming back from PHX, I did chat with some key folks, none of which was Gus. Who is Gus? The dude is awesome and is an incredible brother that I'm sure PHX would support. He used to be a teacher and also was involved as a union member in another union, and he follows AND KNOWS the basic tenets of justice. Nothing against Prez but I believe that Gus is the right fit and I believe PHX will support that. At any rate, I also reject, in entirety, of having US east servicing the US west. I think it's been far too long for the US West to get one of their own as an AGC. My understanding is that the New Direction still refuses to include any US West as AGC's. Time will tell PJ but I'm confident that PHX will support Gus.

Onward www.occupyiam141.com

Tim

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,

I have not talked to anyone who was outsourced but am not surprised that they are pissed. I don't think you could find anyone who would be ok with this. This outsourcing sucks but the ND didn't write this language nor did they ask for the company to outsource our Brothers and Sisters in these cities. I will say that the communication of how all this went down was lacking. The Negotiating team has to focus on the scope and successor language above all other issues IMO.

Actually, Delaney agreed with the language and that the company prematurely acted. But, as he said in his LOA, he didn't want to spend any additonal funds or time to resolve the matter. Again, his words, not mine.
Essentially, Delaney agreed to expedite the already nasty language. Flat out wrong and whoever can't see that is delusional with Delaney kool aid. Again, if he lost the case, the loss was about $350 out of the pockets of the BUF guys. I've talked to them and I think they would have had no problem losing $350 for the possibility of fighting for their jobs.

As far as the negotiations team. They have no juice with Delaney. Delaney has circumvented every negotiations team he has been on with LOA. Including the one we are now discussing.

I do agree with you Say What, that the scope and successor language should be the main focus but not necessarily the only focus. Again, every US AIRWAYS agent should be concerned if Delaney gets in because the primary thing will be seniority. Without triggering an election, the TWU's sacredity clause will rule and force compromises on US AIRWAYS seniority. It would be essential to trigger an election to save the seniority of the US AIRWAYS rampers from being trampled on. There is only one candidate who has the proven record of being able to secure and win organizing elections.

If PJ votes for Delaney, then you can kiss any idea of a democratic election that could secure the IAM"s internal seniority rules of DOH goodbye. Not that Delaney would give a rip about US AIRWAYS seniority anyways. We have seen him horse trade before and maybe the INTL request him to yield the ramp, so IAM 142 can protect the mechanics, in a sorta swap trade with the TWU. What does Delaney have to lose? Nothing.

At any rate, the IAM would have to get 3,000 cards from a presumed 7,000 remaining TWU rampers to have a shot to protect seniority in an election. Remember, the MBA will rule on both contracts but the US AIRWAYS contract does NOT have a sacredity clause.

If Delaney gets in, the IAm will be gone at UA ramp and gone at US ramp. Bottom line.
regards,

 

[saywhat]

Actually, Delaney agreed with the language and that the company prematurely acted. But, as he said in his LOA, he didn't want to spend any additonal funds or time to resolve the matter. Again, his words, not mine.
Essentially, Delaney agreed to expedite the already nasty language. Flat out wrong and whoever can't see that is delusional with Delaney kool aid. Again, if he lost the case, the loss was about $350 out of the pockets of the BUF guys. I've talked to them and I think they would have had no problem losing $350 for the possibility of fighting for their jobs.

As far as the negotiations team. They have no juice with Delaney. Delaney has circumvented every negotiations team he has been on with LOA. Including the one we are now discussing.

I do agree with you Say What, that the scope and successor language should be the main focus but not necessarily the only focus. Again, every US AIRWAYS agent should be concerned if Delaney gets in because the primary thing will be seniority. Without triggering an election, the TWU's sacredity clause will rule and force compromises on US AIRWAYS seniority. It would be essential to trigger an election to save the seniority of the US AIRWAYS rampers from being trampled on. There is only one candidate who has the proven record of being able to secure and win organizing elections.

If PJ votes for Delaney, then you can kiss any idea of a democratic election that could secure the IAM"s internal seniority rules of DOH goodbye. Not that Delaney would give a rip about US AIRWAYS seniority anyways. We have seen him horse trade before and maybe the INTL request him to yield the ramp, so IAM 142 can protect the mechanics, in a sorta swap trade with the TWU. What does Delaney have to lose? Nothing.

At any rate, the IAM would have to get 3,000 cards from a presumed 7,000 remaining TWU rampers to have a shot to protect seniority in an election. Remember, the MBA will rule on both contracts but the US AIRWAYS contract does NOT have a sacredity clause.

If Delaney gets in, the IAm will be gone at UA ramp and gone at US ramp. Bottom line.
regards,

Tim,

You keep telling everyone that you won 2 elections and how wonderful you are and at the same time tell everyone that the PCE vote should be a no brainer. The reality of the situation is that the UA fleet vote and the Air Tran fleet vote were the no brainers and the PCE vote will be much tougher. The UA fleet contract blew away the CO fleet contract. The Teamsters were very disappointing with that contract. Air Tran was beaten down and knew they needed protection with a looming merger with LUV. Let's be real man.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,

You keep telling everyone that you won 2 elections and how wonderful you are and at the same time tell everyone that the PCE vote should be a no brainer. The reality of the situation is that the UA fleet vote and the Air Tran fleet vote were the no brainers and the PCE vote will be much tougher. The UA fleet contract blew away the CO fleet contract. The Teamsters were very disappointing with that contract. Air Tran was beaten down and knew they needed protection with a looming merger with LUV. Let's be real man.

I love being accused of winning. I make no apologies for winning. It would have been less biased of you to just thank me or tell me that I did a helluva job. Besides, if the Airtran non union employees realized they needed a union because of a merger, then why wouldn't our own members in PCE??

At any rate, I'm running for president, therefore it is appropriate for me to point to my record as a leader on your dime and delivering exactly what I said I would. Just pointing to the scoreboard. So don't confuse that with me being wonderful. Hint: I'm really not wonderful. I did keep all the clippings of our members comments about my aggressive organizing style and solidarity building. Terms like relentless, formidable foe, tenacious all come to mind. Passion and energy, know how, and a dogged determination is what we are all lacking from a non passionate, non urgent, limp leader that we have right now.

The PCE election is any organizers dream going into an election when you already have 60% of the eligible voters as your members. But all organizing drives are tough so it isn't absolutely a no brainer. But the IAM is the clear favorite in that one. The folks in charge can fumble, not have the pulse, or have the wits to finish victorious. Never take it for granted.

The good thing is that the PCE members have actually pulled together and are trying to pull it out. I think they will win and that will take care of this conversation. OTOH, there will be hell to pay if somehow the New Direction finds a way to lose 9,000 more union jobs.

regards,

 

[Dog Wonder]

Tim,

You keep telling everyone that you won 2 elections and how wonderful you are and at the same time tell everyone that the PCE vote should be a no brainer. The reality of the situation is that the UA fleet vote and the Air Tran fleet vote were the no brainers and the PCE vote will be much tougher. The UA fleet contract blew away the CO fleet contract. The Teamsters were very disappointing with that contract. Air Tran was beaten down and knew they needed protection with a looming merger with LUV. Let's be real man.

You won't get Tim to disavow the only successes he has had in the last twenty plus years.

 

[Tim Nelson]

You won't get Tim to disavow the only successes he has had in the last twenty plus years.

Dog Wonder,

Unfortunately, I was only a Local Chairman and didn't have the sorta authority within the union that myself or others needed to change this union from above. My kids are older now so I have taken on more responsibility at the District level over the last few years.

That said, I was given leadership authority and you paid me well for it, and I produced. And Rich Delaney thought enough of me to give me responsibility with his IAM job on the line in the Teamster campaign. At any rate, I make no apologies for pointing out the success I had on your dime. I'm running for President and it is necessary to run on my District leadership record and also point out the destruction that my opponent has caused while also in a District leadership position. Everything else is talk on the field. Both of us have leadership experience at the district level and that scorecard is the one that I would think is the most essential one to look at for the voters who have to decide which candidate would be the best in a District leadership position.

regards,

 

[saywhat]

I love being accused of winning. I make no apologies for winning. It would have been less biased of you to just thank me or tell me that I did a helluva job. Besides, if the Airtran non union employees realized they needed a union because of a merger, then why wouldn't our own members in PCE??

At any rate, I'm running for president, therefore it is appropriate for me to point to my record as a leader on your dime and delivering exactly what I said I would. Just pointing to the scoreboard. So don't confuse that with me being wonderful. Hint: I'm really not wonderful. I did keep all the clippings of our members comments about my aggressive organizing style and solidarity building. Terms like relentless, formidable foe, tenacious all come to mind. Passion and energy, know how, and a dogged determination is what we are all lacking from a non passionate, non urgent, limp leader that we have right now.

The PCE election is any organizers dream going into an election when you already have 60% of the eligible voters as your members. But all organizing drives are tough so it isn't absolutely a no brainer. But the IAM is the clear favorite in that one. The folks in charge can fumble, not have the pulse, or have the wits to finish victorious. Never take it for granted.

The good thing is that the PCE members have actually pulled together and are trying to pull it out. I think they will win and that will take care of this conversation. OTOH, there will be hell to pay if somehow the New Direction finds a way to lose 9,000 more union jobs.

regards,

Tim,

How come PCE wouldn't be afraid of Union like Air Tran? Come on Tim, how about a $25,000 a year pay difference. Be real man.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,

You should have said "I think PJ is wrong", not that I am wrong. I will disagree with you here. I firmly believe, that if anybody other than RD wins the prez spot all of DL141 is going to go 10 steps back. Especially here at USAirways. Let's use the occupy 141 ticket as an exaple. How much time will your ticket have to spend at placid harbor for classes? How many grievance's do you think will be ignored, well, set aside anyway, during that time by the new AGC's? Not to mention the backlog of grievances already filed waiting for hearings/arbitrations. How long will you personally delay negotiations by not signing a confidentiality agreement? Do you really think the company would allow that? What would you do when they said no negotiations until you sign? Would you hold the entire group hostage to prove your point? Then you have to hand pick your negotiating team, who again have to go to class, more time spent not getting a new CBA. And you have no idea who my station supports, maybe you do for UA, but you have no idea who US supports do you? I did it once before, do you not think I can do it again? I have a proven track record with my station, are you gonna try to disrupt that by pushuing your own agenda here and dividing the group even more? I may or may not see you at the LL on nomination day, I'll certainly be there, will you? So I would have to say, that in YOUR opinion, I am wrong, lets see how many others think I am.

neci,

maybe not square one, but certainly close. That is of course MY opinion.

PJ,

First off, for the sake of the audience, do you support Delaney signing the support letter to management continuing the lockout of those 5 stations for $350 bucks? Yes or No?

Second, do you realize that after 3 years of negotiations at UA, and negotiations updates where Delaney says things are progressing, now he finally admits that he was defrauding everyone and says that all that is being offered by management is a 2.5% pay raise and 200 stations contracted out???? Essentially, after 3 years of talks, with United airlines making record BILLION dollar profits, he is going backwards. Weren't you the one who don't want to continue getting beat up and going backwards? Cripes, look at the scorecard bro and stop believing the Kool aid that your AGC is telling you.

The real question is why is delaney so incapable and why are they going backwards, right?

The answer is one of leverage. Delaney gave up millions of dollars of leverage by abolishing the UA only negotiations and then entering transition talks. The IBT and AFA refused to enter transition talks without first getting something for the entrance. Delaney's updates [still on the net] blew smoke up EVERYONE's collective arses telling everyone that he signed on to 'accelerated talks' with UA management and then he proudly announced in the messenger that he obtained MORE leverage by entering transition talks. I told everyone [again, well documented and I hate being right] how he was a fraud and that he actually gave up leverage to the tune of up to $59 million [that's how much the UA MX received to get them in transition talks]. Transition talks are lengthly and average between 3-5 years, but Delaney was running at the lip how he was going to produce one in record time. Once he got in transition talks, the company pulled its better offer and replaced the proposal with what Delaney himself called a "Regional airline proposal". So I ask you PJ, get the facts and get accustomed to exactly what Delaney has signed and agreed to on the other properties before you push New Direction. There is a reason why I couldn't tolerate them anymore and retook my knee pads. Nobody wanted Delaney to succeed more than myself but I wasn't going to support that guy after all the destruction he caused. Again, even though he helped destroy 5 of your own stations, he has done likewise everyone and has become a vehicle of destruction. It's the scoreboard. And nobody can do any worse than putting up a big fat 0 points in 4 years.

Only now, with my foot firmly planted up the New Direction asrs are we finally 'rooting out' all the destruction that they have caused because they have NO PROFESSIONALS and are simply incapable by themselves of fully understanding the predicament of leverage. Jester is 100% right about alot of things. We have the 'mouse's wheel' if we don't recognize that we need professionals supporting us on staff IN NEGOTIATIONS and NOT a phone call away. In Delaney's case, I know him to be a fraud but in the AGC's cases, they are just ignorant or enjoy being cash cows, and Delaney hasn't given them the extra resources they need to do the job. PJ, don't you find it amazing that there is still a backlog of grievances? Tell me, are you still blaming Canale for that one? Cripes, it's been 4 FREAKN YEARS next month since these guys were nominated. If there is a backlog of grievances then something needs fixed. Sure, management has partial blame, but the backlog is also a result of not having equal resources as UA. Having AGC's with double the work isn't helping matters.

At any rate, it's an exciting time and the Occupy 141 platform is very important for all of us. The platform puts in a new paradigm that is used by other unions and empowers and educates the masses. But, we are also more than the platform. We have identified over 2 million dollars of waste and once we are in we will immediately be shutting down all the 'perk houses'. We will save at least $400,000 over 4 years of YOUR money by shutting down the 'per diem haven' in SFO. You simply do NOT have to be paying for another office in SFO when you have 3,000 of empty office space in your building in ORD. That rent will be abolished and the 'per diem house' will eliminate thousands and thousands of YOUR dollars from 'those' who go and sit there just to run up the per diem meter. You are also being pimped as our US AIRWAYS AGC's are the highest per diem reps on your dime. The reason is because Delaney has continually refused to listen to them and myself about getting more AGC's to help out between the east and west. It's all about United with him.

Having a PHX AGC is not only the right thing to do but it also saves over $100,000 of YOUR money in 4 years from having a East coast AGC having to service that station. The elimination of hotels, per diems, etc will really add up.

at any rate, I gotta get some good ole Dunkin Donut coffee. PJ, there are alot of contentious things that all of us need to talk about. We have a chance this time. And, FWIW, just because someone pledged their vote to someone 4 years ago doesn't mean that the person flipped like a pancake if they decide to withheld that vote this time. Nobody is entitled to a continuation of votes. IMO, the ones who flipped are many on Delaney's ticket who flipped somewhere between the first and second $9,000 check. Are all of Delaney's guys bad? No. And I may even have one or two on my ballot, but the vast majority of them are passable due to production.

Onward!

Everyone should read the LOA where Delaney supported the closure of the 5 stations. Click Here

It's time for some Dunkin Donut coffee, gotta jet

Tim

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,

How come PCE wouldn't be afraid of Union like Air Tran? Come on Tim, how about a $25,000 a year pay difference. Be real man.

Again, I have no problem being accused of winning or your suggestion of why I was undefeated. I'll leave the game tapes up to you to review the victories. K?

As far as PCE, they would lose their IAM pension if they voted no, so I'm not sure what the thinking would be if they decided to vote no. I realize the IAM pension isn't a guarantee but myself and others who have it will have to live with it since we are already in it. Makes no sense for PCE to abolish their pension. I feel pretty good about the PCE campaign as there are some inherent things that the New Direction has at its disposal. One is access. Another is a steward system which is a built in committee. Throw in an election where 60% of your own membership is a part of. Again, I like the chances and I think things will shape up for them. Am I comfortable with the New Direction organizing drive? No, it's pretty much non existent as they pretty much yielded all the responsibility to the INTL which has absolutely no clue on how to organize. Still, I think the PCE wins and I would be absolutely shocked if it lost. It's definately the New Direction's to lose.

Time will tell, who knows at this point.

www.occupyiam141.com

Tim

 

[saywhat]

Again, I have no problem being accused of winning or your suggestion of why I was undefeated. I'll leave the game tapes up to you to review the victories. K?

As far as PCE, they would lose their IAM pension if they voted no, so I'm not sure what the thinking would be if they decided to vote no. I realize the IAM pension isn't a guarantee but myself and others who have it will have to live with it since we are already in it. Makes no sense for PCE to abolish their pension. I feel pretty good about the PCE campaign as there are some inherent things that the New Direction has at its disposal. One is access. Another is a steward system which is a built in committee. Throw in an election where 60% of your own membership is a part of. Again, I like the chances and I think things will shape up for them. Am I comfortable with the New Direction organizing drive? No, it's pretty much non existent as they pretty much yielded all the responsibility to the INTL which has absolutely no clue on how to organize. Still, I think the PCE wins and I would be absolutely shocked if it lost. It's definately the New Direction's to lose.

Time will tell, who knows at this point.

www.occupyiam141.com

Tim

Tim,

You're good at setting things up. Half of your vote makes a decent living and has never come close to voting Union. On any good day you know as well as I do that apathy runs rampant in all work groups and because of politics etc. some people hate Unions. You know that a 401k match promise will take care of the pension issue for at least some individuals. Let's be real man.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,

You're good at setting things up. Half of your vote makes a decent living and has never come close to voting Union. On any good day you know as well as I do that apathy runs rampant in all work groups and because of politics etc. some people hate Unions. You know that a 401k match promise will take care of the pension issue for at least some individuals. Let's be real man.

Huh? Nobody is setting anything up. It's the facts.

No, a 401k doesn't set up anything when many of the voters will actually lose their complete IAM pension benefit due to the fact that they have less than 5 years. Apathy runs deep in all of these votes so that is a variable that is equal on both sides. The trick for any organizer is to get out the vote though.

Any organizing drive is tough as the union is always outspent 10+ to 1 in these things. The one in charge of the organizing has to have good wit, calculate correctly, increase team building, etc and limit the fumbles and INT's.

That said, I saw a tactical mistake, yes the same one the dopey IAM makes in all of their Non-Nelson campaigns, i.e., they preach IAM pension as the God. The problem with making the IAM pension the rock on the organizing drive is that the company union busters aren't going to be ignorant on how the IAM pension trustees ripped the blood right out of its own US AIRWAYS members and pimped off your pension.

So, when the IAM organizing gurus decided to broadcast the guarantees of the IAM pension to the non union Continental workers, they committed a lie. I actually got involved and told some of the IAM people to stop shi**ting the workers and just be straight with them if they want to win over the non union votes. Well, the IAM just didn't listen. They just don't listen bro and that is why it is thoroughly insulting to watch 80,000 airline people vote out the IAM over the past x amount of years. The arrogance kills us with this union. Nonetheless, as expected, the anti union lawyers wrote charts and print outs of how the IAM pension trustees screwed over its US AIRWAYS members with their IAM Pension and the IAM took a serious hit on this PCE campaign when it was easily found out that the IAM future pension benefit is not a guarantee. Duh????

Even though the IAM wasn't paying me any longer, I went online and was very truthful to the voters and it seemed to produce positive response. However, Lehive banned me from the IAM facebook page since I was admitting that the IAM pension was not guaranteed, then the anti-union facebook page banned me because I was PM ing the non union folks with very good success and encouraging them to vote IAM. To this day, even though my wings are clipped, I am actively engaged online with many of those who are non union and need encouragement. And I think many rampers are doing a great job in the PCE campaign.

It is essential, no matter who wins the presidency, to win PCE at UA for us to maintain the current leverage at UA due to our membershp size over there. A PCE loss would mean additional leverage is flushed.

That said, I have no problem giving credit to any of my opponents where credit is due. If we win PCE, no matter how we do it, credit should be given to those in charge of it. Likewise, if Delaney signed a leading industry contract at UA then let's give him credit for a job well done. The problem up to this point is that the scoreboard shows a 0 on all properties and also shows us down by several touchdowns to management on all properties due to the non urgent, non passion, limp style of the 9-5 Delaney. One thing is certain, whether folks love me or hate me, I won't be a 9-5 guy and I won't be spending much office time. I will be out of town in the breakrooms and meeting my peoples and lifting them up, building them up, and providing additional resources to all of our AGC's. I will be hands on, just like in organizing, and will only be sitting when I'm in negotiations or in conference. Those teamsters who described me as "Tenacious", "relenetless" and 'formidable" are witness to what I do. I'm all in all the time.

regards,