Fleet Service apathy

[roabilly]

We have 11 US AIRWAYS members, including me, on our ticket and 17 United members.

Tim...

With all due respect... does this not represent a majority of your ticket as being firmly rooted in UA? Is this not the very same thing you are criticizing the current administration of?

 

[Tim Nelson]

And the International pays half of the AGC salaries, funny how you dont mention this fact Tim.

what does that have to do with anything? The INTL has no say in how someone spends their check and how an individual wants to spend. What's your fuss?

regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

You talk about wanting save money.

So if US and AA merge, why would you still want to negotiate a Section 6 agreement when your gonna have to immediately turn around and negotiate a Transition Agreement then a combined CBA.

Wouldnt that be wasting money?

700UW, you are incapable of understanding. Although I know it's all about wasting money to you, it's about pay raises and benefit enhances to our members. I think our members are worth it. Obviously, Delaney agreed with you and took the easy way out by waiving UA only talks and plunging his members into transition talks that will take another 3-5 years. The AFA and the IBT did the right thing and told management that they must first gain considerations for their members before the union agrees to enter transition talks to further a merger for management. AFA received $40 million in enhancements just to enter transition talks, including an immediate 10% pay increase, $60,000 buyouts, $8,000 signing bonus. The IBT received $59 million just to enter transition talks, i.e., immediate 10% pay raise, 7% over the next couple years, $70,000 buyout, up to $12,000 signing bonus. Our IAM members got NO consideration to enter transition talks. I'm truly sorry for you since that's what you propose, but I'm not surprised since you negotiated your own job away back in the day.

Mark my words, if I am President, I will refuse to enter transition talks without first gaining considerations for our members. We must not support managements idea of making two airlines one airline, without first getting considerations for our members. We already know what Delaney's plan is, i.e,. 2-3 years of US AIRWAYS negotiaitons, then start all over again and enter transition talks for free. That's what he did at UA/CO, and treason it was, and that's exactly what he is going to do with US AIRWAYS. Delaney does what management wants him to do. Bottom line.

regards,

regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

Are you kidding me?

The RLA is the worst piece of legislation for unions, there is no leverage from labor, the law is to prevent the stopping of interstate commerce, how many labor classes at college have you taken or at WWW?

Under the NLRA its a straight up or down vote, never was 50%+1 like it was for the RLA, which is going to be changed back to that thanks to Congress.

CBAs under the RLA dont expire, they become amendable and from 95 to 99 M&R went without a new CBA, 4 and 1/2 years with no raises or improvements, under the NLRA CBAs expire and you can strike right away.

Your lack of education on the RLA and how negotiations work are coming out and your going to hurt the members if you keep up the way you think things operate.

The RLA forces leverage by superceding right to work laws. It also allows forced dues. There is a reason why this industry pays better wages and it has everything to do with the RLA. Also, the fact that contracts are ammendable also are a distinct advantage to unions. Under 12 midnight, if a contract is up....it's up under the NRLA and you can be locked out. Under the RLA, you don't have to strike after the cooling off and you can't be legally locked out if you show up to work, unless of course your union strikes. The RLA has many advantages, and especially in bad times. A union can drag out contract talks for years if a company is wanting concessions. It's not the devil that you and the IAM establishment make it as so you can justify ineptness. Many a leading industry contract has been signed, even recently, and the RLA works, for those who are organized. For those who are not organized, it's tougher to get organized.

regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

Bottom line is the membership at HA ratified the CBA with its current terms.

Bottom line is that the IAM 141 leadership has not been transparent over the years and has hidden information from the membership. When contracts are voted on, the IAM 141 leadership has defrauded members and withhold other information while they pressure the membership to 'take it or leave it' through fear.

The 1113 scam, the IAM pension 'guarantee' scam, just to name a few. The fallback answer afterwards by you and other IAM loyalist are to wash your hands and say "The members voted on it". There is some accountability of the members but when the IAM intentionally plays large stations against small ones, and divides part time against full time, and limits most information, it causes the type of divisions that almost always will push the views of the establishment.

As far as Delaney's actions, yes he was responsible for the HA contract and supporting managements idea of having 45% part time with part timers topping out at half of full time. He also was the one who originated the anti union Delta ready reserve at HA that doesn't even count against the 45% part time. Throw in having to pay for parking and it's a real mess. At UA/CO, those talks are now a pure implosional disaster.

regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim...

With all due respect... does this not represent a majority of your ticket as being firmly rooted in UA? Is this not the very same thing you are criticizing the current administration of?

UA needs more representatives to service 20,000 members than US AIRWAYS needs for 6,500. However, having 5 AGC's with a per capita representation of 1 AGC per every 1,000+ members is way out of line when compared to United. The Occupy ticket recognizes this and provides 8 US AIRWAYS AGC's and a total of 11 US AIRWAYS representatives. Your ND boys actually snatched one more from your group and handed it to United. So, the Occupy ticket almost doubles the amount of representation that your group will get. Why are you fighting me on this point? What's your fuss when this benefits your group? Why did Delaney take one more away when your group was lacking already??? Can't you see the unfairness?

Onward!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Why Tim Nelson is Running for District President

Why am I running?

Onward Occupy 141!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Platform Points

Tim Speaking about the Platform

Onward!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim Speaking About the Lack of Diversity

Onward!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim Nelson talks message to Hawaiian, United/Continental, and US AIRWAYS

Onward!

 

[roabilly]

UA needs more representatives to service 20,000 members than US AIRWAYS needs for 6,500. However, having 5 AGC's with a per capita representation of 1 AGC per every 1,000+ members is way out of line when compared to United. The Occupy ticket recognizes this and provides 8 US AIRWAYS AGC's and a total of 11 US AIRWAYS representatives. Your ND boys actually snatched one more from your group and handed it to United. So, the Occupy ticket almost doubles the amount of representation that your group will get. Why are you fighting me on this point? What's your fuss when this benefits your group? Why did Delaney take one more away when your group was lacking already??? Can't you see the unfairness?

Onward!

Tim...

I'm not fighting you... I'm attempting to ferret out fact from fiction... it's as simple as that. You know how hard I fought for the N/D. From my perspective... at least in my station... I can not see any validity at this point of wiping everything out that we established.

I have honestly tried to evaluate your points in an objective manner. Further, I have no "dog in the hunt"... I'm not attempting to run for anything because as you know... I HATE politics!

Reality is much more important to me than promises... broken promises... he said she said... and so and so is a piece of s***.

 

[Jester]

Bottom line is the membership at HA ratified the CBA with its current terms.

And if you have been reading my posts, then you would understand that it is once again, the larger group selling-out the smaller group for some benefit. What happened to equal treatment? What happened to "solidarity"? The HA part-time people got the shaft in order to pass a contract, and I am sure RD considers this to be a "success" in his eyes.

Your "logic" would rationalize a return to slavery in this nation... after all, white America is the majority and majority rules, right? So it seems the IAM constitution lacks an equal protection clause which allows this continued segmentation of the Membership between East vs. West, small station vs. large station and part-time vs. full-time. Any negotiation committee who returns a T.A. which mirriors the HA agreement should consider the following... tar costs $147/5-gallon bucket, feathers costs $100/25 pound bag, and a one-way CTA rail fare from ORD to the IAM 141 district headquarters costs only $2.25.

So Plots Jester.

 

[pjirish317]

Tim,

You have not answered this question, you skirted around it. So here are some more direct questions.

This "commitment letter", is it legaly binding? A simple yes or no will suffice.
The sad fact is, is that there really is no way to keep "things" accountable is there?
How will you make sure they "understand"? What exactly will you do to them?
That is exactly what this is, a political promise that is in no way, shape, or form, enforceable is it? At least be honest
How is posting the "givebacks" on a website keeping them accountable?

Tim,

You are avoiding the questions posed to you here. Plus a few others that I asked. So here they are again, I thought you were not one to shy away from a "debate". You speak highly of a diversified E-Board, how many women from US are on your ballot? UA? I counted 4 out of 27 positions that are women. Are they all UA? How is that a diversified E-board when there are a large amount of women working at US Fleet, UA Fleet and PCE? Any part-time employees on your ballot? Why are they not represented on the E-board? And how again were you going to pay for the "In-House" attorney? Was it with the alleged "givebacks"? How will you pay for said "In-House" attorney when these "givebacks" dont come to fruition? You would think that these would be easy questions to answer for a guy like you, so why are you avoiding them? Perhaps you dont want the "masses" to fully understand that these are just empty political promises that you have no way to enforce or keep?

 

[pjirish317]

And if you have been reading my posts, then you would understand that it is once again, the larger group selling-out the smaller group for some benefit. What happened to equal treatment? What happened to "solidarity"? The HA part-time people got the shaft in order to pass a contract, and I am sure RD considers this to be a "success" in his eyes.

Your "logic" would rationalize a return to slavery in this nation... after all, white America is the majority and majority rules, right? So it seems the IAM constitution lacks an equal protection clause which allows this continued segmentation of the Membership between East vs. West, small station vs. large station and part-time vs. full-time. Any negotiation committee who returns a T.A. which mirriors the HA agreement should consider the following... tar costs $147/5-gallon bucket, feathers costs $100/25 pound bag, and a one-way CTA rail fare from ORD to the IAM 141 district headquarters costs only $2.25.

So Plots Jester.

Jester,

Kind of like what US Fleet Service did in 2008 with this current agreement right? With the Majority voting this in? You know, the outsourcing. Then come on here and cry foul. Tell me what is the difference between the two?

 

[Kev3188]

What might be so unique about HA's history and circumstances as to cause the part-time Membership to say, "You know, I would really love to be paid substantially less than full-timers with the same number of years and I want a schedule for which I am required to work all kinds of odd ball shifts which makes it nearly impossible to have a second job so I can support myself"?

...In one of the highest cost states in the U.S....

However, neither of you have given all the facts of how this language came to be. You just want to pile on without telling the whole story. RD is in charge but without all the facts how could one know how to digest what little has been said about the HA contract. Get real and get some facts. I'm tired of all the campaign rhetoric and the ignorant people piling on without facts.

Enlighten us, then...