Tim Nelson
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WHen you were paying me, I never lost an election. Two representational elections = 2 victories. What's your fuss?
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Dog Wonder
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You broke your personal twenty year losing streak.
What are the odds you might win one after all those losses?
Carry on.
What are the odds you might win one after all those losses?
Carry on.
Tim,
Air tran voted because the LUV merger was announced and they were told if you want any chance of seniority and job protections you had better vote. And let's not forget that you filed short of cards which screwed them.
CO came out with a contract 20 pages long compared to the 200 page UA contract. Seriously, the US contract was awesome compared to the CO contract. CO had zero job protections including hubs. These were no brainer votes that had ZERO chance of losing.
GET REAL.
Tim Nelson
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Two elections and two victories. There is no such thing as a no brainer in organizing. BTW, delta rampers didn't have any protections either but they voted soundly against the IAM. Organizing is tough, you look incredibly silly discounting it. What's your fuss? We won! we did it! Criipes, you sound like management and the Teamsters all trying to explain how they got their collective arses kicked. I don't have to explain, we won! We did it!
Sheesh!
Onward!
Jester
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We should never assume any vote for representation to be a "slam dunk". How did the DL/NW vote work out? Already had NW under the IAM, and DL has been very close on its own votes... and the results? IAM down in flames. I know a couple of FSAs at DL and I told them that the pay was much better under an IAM contract, job security, and there would be a pension... didn't matter, they were against unions, in general. So let's give some credit where it is due to Tim.
Also, instead of pages of attacking Tim, how about the accomplishments and successes of RD and New Direction under his leadership? Tough to defend the HAL agreement. No explanation on the lack of progress with the attendance policy. Frankly, there is a real lack of communication, in general, from the New Direction team in terms of its decisions.
So Requests Jester.
One election was a group that was going to be bought by WN.
The other election was two groups all ready organized.
Not a hard task to accomplish.
Funny how he ignores all the damage he has done over the past 20 years to his own membership.
The other election was two groups all ready organized.
Not a hard task to accomplish.
Funny how he ignores all the damage he has done over the past 20 years to his own membership.
Seriously, you don't know what you're talking about on this one. Air tran's merger with LUV was announced and the only way to get protected was to vote yes, which is a no brainer. Also, don't forget he filed short of cards and screwed them.
UA was Union, CO was Union. UA's contract, US's contract each better than CO's contract, which makes a no brainer vote.
DL/NW vote was more non-Union vs. Union with interference plus they were within 5 points which isn't an a** whooping. Night and day, apples to oranges differences in those votes. Get real.
GL won those votes and comparing these votes to DL is silly. Get real.
Tim Nelson
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Never mind that both groups of flight attendants at United were already organized. IAM represented CO, AFA represented UA. The IAM flight attendants made $13,000 more per year than the AFA ones. Nonetheless, the IAM was doing a disasterous job on that campaign just like they managed to get blown up on every other campaign. I told the INTL that they were going to get its collective arse handed to them again and I asked them to allow me to clean it up and restrategize. They said, "We got it". In the end, they lost by thousands and thousands even though their organizers all reported it was 'in the bag'.
Basically, the IAM organizing manual was terrible and insulting so I never used it. The good thing is that my trailblazing efforts have paved a path so that others within the IAM are now up to par on how to be successful in organizing.
The hard work now is in representation. I have to toss out the old 1940's style unionism that is unprofessional, non transparent, etc. and incorporate fresh new ideas that will prevent our AGC's and President from being set up to fail. I mean, we can change out names all day but whoever the Prez is and whoever the AGC's are, they are set up to fail 100% under the current obsolete structure. That's why I'm running, to install a structure and that structure is the occupy 141 platform. click" Solution is the Platform
Unfortunately, all of our members know that the present system is broke, but no other ticket has presented a solution other than occupy 141.
Video: What's wrong with our present structure and why does it set up the officers to fail?
Onward!
Dog Wonder
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Recognizing the impossibility of any one holding you in as high regard as you do.
Why isn't anyone else tooting your horn about your organizing efforts? Could you be a legend in your own mind?
Carry on.
Why isn't anyone else tooting your horn about your organizing efforts? Could you be a legend in your own mind?
Carry on.
wings396
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Dog, since you rise up against just about everything Tim says, who do you support? Please don't tell us that you are in the corner of the current or any of the past leadership. I don't see anyone else stepping up on here with any attempt to take the IAM in the direction of the membership.
Jester
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Actually, that's not true... if you are referring to MBA, then even non-unionized work forces would be protected and there is a means to handle those situations. You should review the law on your own.
Now let's hear about all the good things RD and the New Direction team has done the past 4 years or so?
So Resubmits Jester.
ograc
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Wings396,
Please be patient. There is another slate that will be on the ballot that represents a change the District will take in the best interests of the membership. AGC accountability and electronic tracking of the status of a members' grievance to name a few. The nomination / endorsement process is coming to a close. Let's see who makes the ballot and who does not. Then the solicitation for support, based on qualifications and campaign platforms, begins. Going forward be careful not to be lured into hollow and unachievable campaign promises. i hope we don't get fooled again.
ograc
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I expect the membership can do better than Tim. His regard for himself rises above his regard for the membership.
Most likely I will do what I have in the past. Wait for people who unite, rather than divide.
And choose accordingly.
robbedagain
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chances of people unite? I thinks that was tossed out a heck of a long time ago We need leadership who is willing to unite us all etc who is willing to negogiate an actual fair contract and one who wont sell their own members down the river Besides Tim I dont see anyone else running for it. If you know someone then fess up. Right now Tim is th only one who has a lot of knowledge and makes more sense giventhat RD has dont NOTHING for the past 4 yrs in office
