Fleet Service apathy

[Jester]

No Tim… what Roabilly refuses to do is to accept your perception of reality as it is conveyed for political reasons. I’m very astute when it comes to intuition. This comes from decades of life experience. And believe me… I trust my southern gut instinct far beyond what any “slick talker” could ever tell me.

These are the kind of individuals that I want representing my interest… not a trickster… not a court jester… not an IAM informer!

Think about it dude… you are orchestrating a carnival full of side shows, and distractions... do you really think we are that stupid?

My Dear Mister Roabilly,

I am not sure if I would call it "stupid" but certainly I would call it "misguided" or "misdirected" as your "intuition" was wrong about Tim before based upon what you think you know now versus 4 years ago, and your continued assertions that "court jester" would be Tim or IAM informer.

Only "distraction" I am seeing here is your continued avoidance to discuss the accomplishments of "Car 54" during these nearly past 4 years. I do not know if it Tim's recent statement is true that Car 54 "refused to arbitrate the attendance policy and instead brought it over to United without membership consent," but if so then clearly the so-called "leadership" of the union doesn't get it, and should be replaced! If the HAL deal alone wasn't enough of a harbinger of benign indifference to our part-time union brothers, then I begin to question your motives in your unwavering support of Car 54. Maybe if you felt the whip of a being on Ready Reserve and a wage scale that of half of other workers with the same number of years, you might find some empathy.

However, don't think that I didn't see your parrying around a question as you went into a wordy soliloquy in your non-sequitur battles against the TSA and other nobel causes to represent fellow agents... the question I asked was that if you planned to be paid now or in the future for services rendered from the current union leadership, as you mentioned, your artistic contributions to the organization? I figure that there must be an economic angle in all this because your support of the membership has been better than this in the past by your own admissions.

So Presses Jester.

 

[UnitedWeStand]

First off, the constitution doesn't say he can't run for AGC. Nobody violated the consitution by having him running for office, nor did the Locals who nominated him violate the constitution.

Thank you for correcting me Tim. The requirements for the President and the AGC job are in the District bylaws:

Section 3.
(a) The candidates for President/Directing General Chairman and Assistant General Chairmen must have been in continuous good standing for at least 2 years and must be working at the trade one year immediately prior to their nomination and free from any delinquencies of any nature to the Local Lodge, District Lodge or the Grand Lodge (in accordance with the Grand Lodge Constitution).
(B) All other candidates for District Lodge office shall be members in good standing in the IAM for not less than one (1) year and not less than one (1) year continuous good standing in District Lodge No. 141, except the Vice Presidents must be selected from the membership they are to represent and the Vice President for the Hawaiian Area must be domiciled in the Hawaiian Islands.


How many of your other candidates will be affected by this? You dont list any bio's just video's. It's hard to navigate. Sorry

 

[700UW]

Once again the master of deflection didnt answer the things I poised to him.

So he thinks its ok to waste the District's money and afford no scope protection to CO's rampers.

 

[UnitedWeStand]

Mr. Nelson, What was the grievance that the LOA was accepted in order to give the grievance up? You say "lockout" and I am not understanding fully. Can you be more specific please?

 

[UnitedWeStand]

Does any one here know the specifics of the US Airways grievance that Tim Nelson is talking about? Just trying to get an understanding. Thank you in advance.

 

[700UW]

January 26, 2012, Rich Delaney—District 141 and US Airways have reached an agreement regarding the recent station closings grievances and their impact on our membership in BUF, IND, MSY, OAK, and SNA. The grievances were concerned with the timing of the company decision to close the Five Stations and the contract language that allowed for the contracting out of work under certain conditions.

This agreement was reached with the assistance of our outside attorneys from Bush, Gottlieb, Singer, Lopez, Kohanski, Adelstein, and Dickinson. We had been making preparations to both present our arguments before a specially appointed arbitrator and also explore our rights in federal court. It was reached as an alternative to the arbitration process that our contract allowed for in an effort to bring a more timely resolution to the Five Stations case and compensate those affected members forced to make decisions over their future employment. Some Members made the decision to furlough rather than transfer, while others have elected to uproot and move to other cities.

The agreement specifically addresses those employees. First, employees electing furlough will have company paid contributions to the IAM National Pension Fund on their behalf that will provide six hundred hours of credit in the Plan for the year 2012. These contributions will be paid at the prescribed rate of $1.05 for Full Time and $0.65 for Part Time employees. The issue of pension contributions for furloughed employees has been a point of contention between the Union and the company in the past. This agreement provides immediate payment of contributions for the Five Stations employees while recognizing the Union’s right to pursue a more permanent resolution to this funding issue through other grievances and avenues. Secondly, those Members that have chosen to relocate to other stations, in addition to the normal contractual moving expenses, will receive $500.00. This applies equally to Full Time and Part Time members.

The overall value of this settlement for all involved is in excess of $500,000.00. More importantly, it addresses the needs of those Members directly affected by the decision to outsource work.

The Union remains opposed to any and all contracting out of work, most importantly when it causes the loss of jobs, and will continue to raise this job security issue in every forum we can, especially contract negotiations. We welcome this decision for what it provides for the Five Stations membership, but it is not the final resolution to our fight for job protection for all Members.

 

[Jester]

January 26, 2012, Rich Delaney—District 141 and US Airways have reached an agreement regarding the recent station closings grievances and their impact on our membership in BUF, IND, MSY, OAK, and SNA. The grievances were concerned with the timing of the company decision to close the Five Stations and the contract language that allowed for the contracting out of work under certain conditions.

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Secondly, those Members that have chosen to relocate to other stations, in addition to the normal contractual moving expenses, will receive $500.00. This applies equally to Full Time and Part Time members.

The Union remains opposed to any and all contracting out of work, most importantly when it causes the loss of jobs, and will continue to raise this job security issue in every forum we can, especially contract negotiations. We welcome this decision for what it provides for the Five Stations membership, but it is not the final resolution to our fight for job protection for all Members.

However, this time (and we promise this will never happen again until next time) we rolled over like obedient dogs and now declared victory after a $500 pay-off for those who choose to move and some contribution to our slush fund, errrr.. the IAMAW pension. As we said, we are opposed to premature contracting, but will do little to prevent it from happening. By the way, when's the beer and brats party?

In Suds-a-Daily,
Car 54

 

[700UW]

Boy some people are very childish, a poster asks for the information in regard to the outsourcing and you people negative post it.

Grow up.

And Jester,

The IAMAW does not control the pension, it is independent of the union, I love it how your so apathetic about the union yet you come on here and bash.

You claim to be so highly educated and you dont even know the pension is made of up half representatives from the union and half from the employers and has a trustee who runs the plan.

 

[Jester]

Boy some people are very childish, a poster asks for the information in regard to the outsourcing and you people negative post it.

Grow up.

And Jester,

The IAMAW does not control the pension, it is independent of the union, I love it how your so apathetic about the union yet you come on here and bash.

You claim to be so highly educated and you dont even know the pension is made of up half representatives from the union and half from the employers and has a trustee who runs the plan.

If one cannot laugh at the absurdity of the situation, then one cannot understand the seriousness of the situation, as it appears to be the case because you have no skin in the game. Faced with the potential of being forced to work under a contract where you are being paid half of other co-workers with the same number of years of service along with a pension which continues to decline in value (and not due to any bankruptcy action either), even you might vote to de-certify the union, or at least, desire to throw-out Car 54.

But that's okay... continue to pontificate about things for which have no bearing on your life while those who are working for the Company worry about those things which affect them.

So Reminds Jester.

 

[UnitedWeStand]

Thanks for the PMs, I appreciate the copy and paste from the district website 700UW, but it still wasn't crystal clear. From the battery of information, the quick and easy I see it is that the Union's position was that the company had to wait until April to outsource because the average weekly departures were based from April to April.
The company's position to my understanding was that the contract allowed them to outsource after December 31, 2011 not April and that BUF, IND, MSY, OAK, and SNA were below the minimum average weekly departures based on the numbers that had already come out in April of 2011.
That has to be a hail Mary pass.
I don't know, that could go both ways. The BS contract is so gray that it would go to interpretation. If we won, what would happen? Pay the people who took furlough or credit them the furlough pay? They are still going to be out of a job or have to move come decision time. If the judge says we don't have a case, then what? SOL! Our healthcare arbitration went the way of the crapper. We lost the successor language case after we thought we won it hands down. I don't think I would base a platform on this case. Maybe a crapshoot LOA was something where the lawyers advised there might be nothing... Thats a tough one.

 

[Dog Wonder]

First off, the constitution doesn't say he can't run for AGC. Nobody violated the consitution by having him running for office, nor did the Locals who nominated him violate the constitution.

But, both of these candidates understood that they would have to hand off the baton once June starts, even though they each received enough nominations.

Therefore, it allows two spots on the Occupy 141 to become open for me to carefully choose two '2 year term' AGC's who are on other teams.

Onward!

In fewer words, there are two sham candidates who can't serve if elected. They are on the ticket to gain votes from their co-workers who think the people they vote for will serve if elected.

Then Tim, in the unlikely event he gets placed in a position to do so, will cast his votes and name whoever he wants to those two positions.

Carry on.

 

[UnitedWeStand]

Does any one know how many members the district gained from the Continental election?

 

[UnitedWeStand]

First off, the constitution doesn't say he can't run for AGC. Nobody violated the consitution by having him running for office, nor did the Locals who nominated him violate the constitution.

The occupy platform is very strong on diversity because we know inclusion means more of a grab at solidarity. Therefore, it made no sense not to have the continental rampers participating in the front end of the nomination procedure. Mitch Buckley is the EWR committeeperson at the second biggest UA hub and we wanted to make sure that that hub had an opportunity to support one of their own, and they gave him their nomination. Bruce Davis is from the largest UA Hub, IAH, and we wanted to make sure that IAH had an opportunity to support one of its own. Bruce ended up in a runoff. But, both of these candidates understood that they would have to hand off the baton once June starts, even though they each received enough nominations.

Therefore, it allows two spots on the Occupy 141 to become open for us to carefully choose two '2 year term' AGC's who are on other teams. Further, once the election is over, whoever ends up being the President has up to 8 open AGC spots that will need filled. Mitch Buckley and Bruce Davis will be my first two appointees and they will have to run for election in two years. We will have to incorporate more Continental rampers and more UA PCE with the additional AGC spots that were available because of the increased membership.

Onward!

Excuse my dumbness Dog Wonder, That answer blew right by me. Excuse me Mr Nelson, you are saying that the constitution does not say that he can't run for office when it says in black and white that he must fill the requirements of the district bylaws.
You said you got nominations at the US hubs like CLT. Did you tell them you did not have a full ticket and that some of the people they were nominating were people who could not actually run. I wouldn't like that. Why didn't you have him or them (you didn't say) run for a Trustee job that they could run for since they were unfamiliar with the IAM process? I don't like a fill in the blank campaign.
You have to understand that the biggest fear I have is that an overwhelming number of Continental people who don't know whats going on are herded over to the polls and end up having no US reps at all. What then? Lawyers or not.

 

[necigrad]

Anyone who supports Delaney either has a personal grudge against me or is incredibly ignorant on the facts.

Or it could just be that they feel you are worse the RD.

 

[mike33]

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This agreement was reached with the assistance of our outside attorneys from Bush, Gottlieb, Singer, Lopez, Kohanski, Adelstein, and Dickinson.


The Union remains opposed to any and all contracting out of work, most importantly when it causes the loss of jobs, and will continue to raise this job security issue in every forum we can, especially contract negotiations. We welcome this decision for what it provides for the Five Stations membership, but it is not the final resolution to our fight for job protection for all Members.

So they used Lawyers to guide them along........... isn't that what the Tim and Crew is going to do?....use lawyers? Would there have been a different outcome?

I Doubt it ........ Just saying