Fleet Service thread IAM

[perserverance]

As for the 200 % bouns for the upper managment is concrened, yes its excessive but look around you its what every company in the US does for there top guys. They all have performance bouness.
So this is nothing new. Just look at AA they give there guys the same type of bounus money.
You can complain all you want about it but it is what it is.

This is the mentality we are fighting within are own group. This is one of many wrongs were trying to
bring to light and address. We have to find this information and bring it out. It is not presented to
us but done and never announced. People like the above say, basically no big deal, it happens. The
bottom line is it shouldn't. Do people realize the value of these said compensation packages. The
money invoved could bring groups under agreement but instead go to 5 or 6 individuals acting and
looking out for themselves. We are looking out for a group and unless we, all, or most of us seek a
balance our half of the see-saw will never leave the ground. Believe it or not they do not deserve a
better package because of thier titles'. We all work for the company and it is within us that we create
these tiers of who deserves what. Granted some have more invested and more responsibility, they
are compensated favoribly. this goes above that and the value needs to be seen. 6 people can equal
the value of a group, c'mon. This is not something that should be accepted as common place, thats' all.

Thanks

 

[orioleman]

Well dont go telling the West Mechs that is was a good deal. I work with these guys and most voted against it. They are giving up some shops in exchange for more pay.

Thats what you wanted to do with OUR west brothers and sister .

As for the 200 % bouns for the upper managment is concrened, yes its excessive but look around you its what every company in the US does for there top guys. They all have performance bouness.

Then tell Uncle AL to stop crying recession and fuel cost as obstacles as to why we shouldn't get a fair industry standard contract
they upper management have it . So should we.


sidenote: you say it doesn't matter if its good or bad its where the numbers are that get the vote..
funny the numbers are on the east and we think its a REALLY BAD deal for the west . So you can't say its a hub thing cause
you being a class II and wanting to thru away more jobs is just being a hypocrite.

 

[orioleman]

fuzz,
"Well this is not a normal opening of the contract. Its a transistion agreement, thats why there will be certain things not addressed"

HOW can you say that ... because the company says ITS just a T/A. IF its just a T/A then you bring the west up to east give the east a little bone and

wait until 09 to go to traditional neg.. NO my friend.. THEY want to EXTEND our contract .. THEY want to remove benefits and scope. THAT IS NOT WHAT IS DONE IN T/A

THAT IS WHAT IS DONE IN TRADITIONAL NEG. the company can say one thing but there actions at the table are another.. Why is that so hard to understand.

Transition Agreements are bridges to bring 2 work groups together until the surviving contract is up.. Its not about extending contract and wrapping up deals so they

can shop us to the highest bidder. thats done in traditional neg. Something that will never happen if we let the company just keep extending extending extending

 

[b737200]

REALLY?????? Then why is the situation with the leads in CLP (cutting down to 1 a shift) already in Human Resources, within days of the proposal?????

I work in a city that has over sixty rampers whom were laid off in PIT, they would
love to get back home. I was approched by one that had heard this story from PIT.
If hr is involved then I'd say something was going on. Anyone from clp on this thread?
Seniority is seniority, that's the way it works. If one guy can make it back home to be
with his family then I'm all for it.

 

[freedom]

i'm tired of talking .

:angry2:

ACTION ACTION ACTION!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Hey.. Chill Out]

QUIET ON THE SET!

 

[muircross]

Well said, Big O. Then again there's nothing preventing the company from increasing the west wages and the class 2's. They don't have to wait for a trans. agmt., unless I'm wrong.

fuzz,
"Well this is not a normal opening of the contract. Its a transistion agreement, thats why there will be certain things not addressed"

HOW can you say that ... because the company says ITS just a T/A. IF its just a T/A then you bring the west up to east give the east a little bone and

wait until 09 to go to traditional neg.. NO my friend.. THEY want to EXTEND our contract .. THEY want to remove benefits and scope. THAT IS NOT WHAT IS DONE IN T/A

THAT IS WHAT IS DONE IN TRADITIONAL NEG. the company can say one thing but there actions at the table are another.. Why is that so hard to understand.

Transition Agreements are bridges to bring 2 work groups together until the surviving contract is up.. Its not about extending contract and wrapping up deals so they

can shop us to the highest bidder. thats done in traditional neg. Something that will never happen if we let the company just keep extending extending extending

 

[orioleman]

cross,
"Then again there's nothing preventing the company from increasing the west wages and the class 2's. They don't have to wait for a trans. agmt., unless I'm wrong."

YOU are ABSOLUTELY correct.. That could have been achieved 2 1/2 yrs ago. The problem is or was The CO. and Uncle Al say this as a window to wrap up the Fleet workgroup

for another 3 yrs, and with history on there side as far as membership participation they figured they could slide it through. Unfortunately for them the membership woke up and

saw the injustice and kicked there substandard "typical Randy Canale type contract " to the curb..

 

[Henderfuzz]

fuzz,
"Well this is not a normal opening of the contract. Its a transistion agreement, thats why there will be certain things not addressed"

HOW can you say that ... because the company says ITS just a T/A. IF its just a T/A then you bring the west up to east give the east a little bone and

wait until 09 to go to traditional neg.. NO my friend.. THEY want to EXTEND our contract .. THEY want to remove benefits and scope. THAT IS NOT WHAT IS DONE IN T/A

THAT IS WHAT IS DONE IN TRADITIONAL NEG. the company can say one thing but there actions at the table are another.. Why is that so hard to understand.

Transition Agreements are bridges to bring 2 work groups together until the surviving contract is up.. Its not about extending contract and wrapping up deals so they

can shop us to the highest bidder. thats done in traditional neg. Something that will never happen if we let the company just keep extending extending extending

The one thing though about this deal is that there are 2 pay scales to deal with on the east. Thats the very reason our guys dont want to just bring the west into the east.
They want a rasie too instead of just getting rid of the 2 payscales and than bring everybody on.
I really doubt anyone in the hubs would ever agree to that.
Thats really what should be done though address that and only that than we can take this thing to 2009. Im for that.
What about you guys in the hubs and class 1 Huh speak up Cant hear you.

 

[pit_till_death]

Has ANYBODY heard ANYTHING about what's going on in PHX with the T/A talks???? I mean, they were supposed to be done Friday, then Monday, then waiting for Finance, and now Wednesday, and nothing. If anyone knows what's going on please let everyone know. Thank you.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Well dont go telling the West Mechs that is was a good deal. I work with these guys and most voted against it. They are giving up some shops in exchange for more pay. There were also things that they had that the east did not and gave that up too. Tim its all about the numbers and who has the most voice in a vote not if its a good deal or not.
As for the 200 % bouns for the upper managment is concrened, yes its excessive but look around you its what every company in the US does for there top guys. They all have performance bouness.
So this is nothing new. Just look at AA they give there guys the same type of bounus money.
You can complain all you want about it but it is what it is.
Im more concerened that we come to an agreement that can bring us a pay raise and some benifit changes. Until we see if for sure theres no need to speculate.

Henderfuzz, your comments are illogical and absurd. Read this, then come back and read my comments.
While I realize other airlines give their Chiefs big 200% bonus', those other airlines also treat their rampers much better. Consider Continental Airlines which is non-union and in the same oil strapped industry as your company.

Continental promised its rampers a 2% increase on July 1, 2008 and just put out a memo that it was going to honor that promise. This puts Continental up to $20.43 and they don't have a contract.

So tell me, why on earth should a US AIRWAYS ramper expect respect if he is willing to pay $500 in union dues a year just to sign a chump A$$ 'new contract' that only tops out at about $1.50 less than the non-union???? Doesn't Continental have the same oil problems as US AIRWAYS? And dont get me started on the massive profit sharing plan and bonus/benefit plan Continental rampers have.
Trust me, we have much info and education coming in our 'shock and awe' campaign to destroy any ratification of another 'piss clam' affair between Canale and hemenway. Nobody should be ecstatic to sign a new deal that only promises a pay rate at $19 which is a 100% guarantee to keep your wages at industry bottom. WTF?

This new TA [expect the announcement by Friday evening after it is packaged] will be bit** Slapped from coast to coast. And it is the devilish scheme of Hemenway and Canale as they try to beat the possible United Airline merger. Look at the reservations and see who came to ORD last week? Hint more than 4 big wigs.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[roabilly]

Quote: Henderfuzz

One more item I dont know what papers you guys read but everwhere I read fuel is going up and is expected to continue to rise so I really dont think the company is just making this up.
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RH ... aka Henderfuzz...

I don't know how ya'll think in Dallas, but we (Fleet) are not...I repeat...NOT...going to accept any substandard bull s*** April fools Day T/A!

You have twenty five years of service in this industry. By now, you should be completely aware of how Airline Management will "hoodwink" you into believing that you are not an integral part of the operation, thus… worth very little them.

If this were true, they (LCC) would not be approaching us (Fleet) for a Transition Agreement.

They need all work groups on board for the upcoming rounds of consolidation!

And... as far as fuel costs go…everything is relative in this regard.
(I.E. all other carriers will have to pay as much as LCC does for Jet A.)

No one carrier will have an advantage over another carrier in fuel costs.
Even hedged fuel contracts run out over time.

In addition...the fuel cost crisis is actually working to our benefit!

It will ultimately weed out most of the “Low Costâ€â€¦ marginal domestic carriers from the market. It will force Mergers & Acquisitions…reduce capacity…and ultimately end in a big three… or four… "Mega Carriers" that dominate the market, both domestically and internationally.

It will be up to the Collective Solidarity of this Fleet Group, to decide if we want to be long term career players in this inevitable future Airline Business Model.

 

[mike33]

Has ANYBODY heard ANYTHING about what's going on in PHX with the T/A talks???? I mean, they were supposed to be done Friday, then Monday, then waiting for Finance, and now Wednesday, and nothing. If anyone knows what's going on please let everyone know. Thank you.

YEAH!

Their are each trying to maneuver around us but just can't quite figure out how to do it yet. Our solidarity never sleeps and they are beginning to figure

that out.

 

[mike33]

Has ANYBODY heard ANYTHING about what's going on in PHX with the T/A talks???? I mean, they were supposed to be done Friday, then Monday, then waiting for Finance, and now Wednesday, and nothing. If anyone knows what's going on please let everyone know. Thank you.

They just put a TA out about 5 mins ago. go to IAM 141.org USAIRWAYS

 

[JoeDirt]

Updates

April 9, 2008 5:15 p.m. EDT

District 141 Reaches US Airways Agreement

To All IAM Members Employed by America West/US Airways

Dear Sisters and Brothers,


Your District 141 Negotiating Committee today reached a tentative agreement with US Airways which will be presented to the membership for consideration.

The District 141 Negotiating Committee is recommending ratification of the tentative agreement which would bring US Airways and former America West Fleet Service employees under the same wages and work rules for the first time since the merger of the two airlines in September 2005. The agreement, if ratified, will be effective through December 31, 2011.

"Combining two distinct airline cultures has proven enormously difficult in the past," said IAM General Vice President Robert Roach, Jr. "District 141 has taken a major step toward integration by successfully negotiating a single contract for employees currently working under two separate agreements and from two different airline cultures."

We have achieved our goal of eliminating the East and West division among Fleet Service employees without negatively impacting either group. This agreement allows all our members to see immediate and long-term improvements as a unified workforce."

Details of the agreement will be available at www.iam141.org after they are presented to local IAM leaders on Friday, April 11, 2008. An information meeting schedule and a ratification date will also be available at that time.

Fraternally,

S.R. (Randy) Canale
President & Directing General Chairman

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