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[JoeDirt]

Ditto Roabilly accepted here also

 

[redeye]

Ok well I apologize for the stupid coment and yes Im a bad speller.
Yes I do work in DFW. What of it. Most in my station are in agreement that we are crazy that if we have an agreement that offers us a resonalble pay raise that we should consider it.
So my take on the Sept raise would have been much higher than that 544.00
As would it have been for my west counterparts here in DFW.
As Im sure you are aware we make much less than class 1.
I continue to say this is the biggest problem that we face is the class 1 dont understand how much we in the class 2 have lossed and dont want to contiune to systain these losses why the company continues to make a profit.
One more item I dont know what papers you guys read but everwhere I read fuel is going up and is expected to continue to rise so I really dont think the company is just making this up.
There may solidarty in some places but there is also a lot of frustration out here and if we see another deal turned away and have to wait another year or 2 it could get real ugly.

You've been around since 1984, you know well about the cyclic ups
and downs of the industry. Patience is a virtue you need when you
deal with the wolves. Hemenway will not be able to delay forever.
He is dealing with unknowns right now. If he screws things up for
a merger because he refuses to give, he will be replaced. He does
not have the play book of the next negotiators. He will want to get
the deal done with the one he is most comfortable with. There will be
a deal to be had, I don't think it will be this one.

 

[Hey.. Chill Out]

Ok I accept any apologies as well.... Freedom... Carl...............................Roabilly?.............. Anybody? ........ No?


* Walks out of room silently *

 

[freedom]

Fuzz never needed to apologize to me , I completely understand the frustration that he and others feel from time to time over the slow pace of these “talksâ€￾ . hell I wouldn’t even call it frustration , I’d call it RAGE , and it’s hard to keep that anger contained , sometimes we’re gonna lash out from time to time , myself included .


I’m gonna have to call the EAP line pretty soon lol :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

 

[Tim Nelson]

Ok well I apologize for the stupid coment and yes Im a bad speller.
Yes I do work in DFW. What of it. Most in my station are in agreement that we are crazy that if we have an agreement that offers us a resonalble pay raise that we should consider it.
So my take on the Sept raise would have been much higher than that 544.00
As would it have been for my west counterparts here in DFW.
As Im sure you are aware we make much less than class 1.
I continue to say this is the biggest problem that we face is the class 1 dont understand how much we in the class 2 have lossed and dont want to contiune to systain these losses why the company continues to make a profit.
One more item I dont know what papers you guys read but everwhere I read fuel is going up and is expected to continue to rise so I really dont think the company is just making this up.
There may solidarty in some places but there is also a lot of frustration out here and if we see another deal turned away and have to wait another year or 2 it could get real ugly.

Make sure you don't include ORD or alot of other 'smart' class 2 stations when you say 'we'. Your endless desperation has got the best of you and your fuel phobia is unsubstantiated. When fuel was at its all time high intraday trading [$112.75] Hemenway signed the Mechanic TA promising them a 31% raise. Last Thursday, the company's 8k filing promised up to 200% bonus' for next year. Show yourself some decency and respect. Based on what I heard was in this latest TA, it's worst than September's. Canale and Hemenway will get their reward.

In the meantime, USA Today sez we are the "Lowest of the Low". If Hemenway ever did the math right he would figure out that you get what you pay for. Looks to me that his 'cost neutral' = work neutral. Nobody cares.

regards,
Tim Nelson
Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[mike33]

Ok well I apologize for the stupid coment and yes Im a bad speller.
Yes I do work in DFW. What of it. Most in my station are in agreement that we are crazy that if we have an agreement that offers us a resonalble pay raise that we should consider it.
So my take on the Sept raise would have been much higher than that 544.00
As would it have been for my west counterparts here in DFW.
As Im sure you are aware we make much less than class 1.
I continue to say this is the biggest problem that we face is the class 1 dont understand how much we in the class 2 have lossed and dont want to contiune to systain these losses why the company continues to make a profit.
One more item I dont know what papers you guys read but everwhere I read fuel is going up and is expected to continue to rise so I really dont think the company is just making this up.
There may solidarty in some places but there is also a lot of frustration out here and if we see another deal turned away and have to wait another year or 2 it could get real ugly.

First of all you have to be ugly to get ugly. I don't think you're ugly enough yet. Frustrated yes, ugly no..................OH

and you don't have to be stupid ugly! The hope is to be SMART UGLY! Get it? Think about what you say first and then say it. It leaves a better impression.

 

[clpsupervisor]

What's going on in CLP? I hear there's some senoirity manipulation going on.
Anybody got any specifics, I'm hearing it's about keeping someone from getting bumped to
pm shift. Just wondering, a couple of laid off guy's have been talking about putting in
a greivence.

Specifics are: This is not true, nor possible. Wish it was. Are you stirring the pot or is a pot stirrer giving you bad info?

 

[pit_till_death]

Specifics are: This is not true, nor possible. Wish it was. Are you stirring the pot or is a pot stirrer giving you bad info?

REALLY?????? Then why is the situation with the leads in CLP (cutting down to 1 a shift) already in Human Resources, within days of the proposal?????

 

[rat tales]

Has anyone seen this post?

http://www.unionvoice.org/amer_west/notice...ter_id=17199112

The AFA/CWA pass travel arbitration case was ruled on to their favor. The topic was discussed a couple of weeks ago about the status of the IAM grievance. I heard that it has not been heard at the step 3 level yet and has been in limbo for a year. WTF! Time to clean house!

 

[necigrad]

JM has grievances I haven't heard about since Step 2 in July.

 

[Henderfuzz]

Make sure you don't include ORD or alot of other 'smart' class 2 stations when you say 'we'. Your endless desperation has got the best of you and your fuel phobia is unsubstantiated. When fuel was at its all time high intraday trading [$112.75] Hemenway signed the Mechanic TA promising them a 31% raise. Last Thursday, the company's 8k filing promised up to 200% bonus' for next year. Show yourself some decency and respect. Based on what I heard was in this latest TA, it's worst than September's. Canale and Hemenway will get their reward.

In the meantime, USA Today sez we are the "Lowest of the Low". If Hemenway ever did the math right he would figure out that you get what you pay for. Looks to me that his 'cost neutral' = work neutral. Nobody cares.

regards,
Tim Nelson
Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

Well dont go telling the West Mechs that is was a good deal. I work with these guys and most voted against it. They are giving up some shops in exchange for more pay. There were also things that they had that the east did not and gave that up too. Tim its all about the numbers and who has the most voice in a vote not if its a good deal or not.
As for the 200 % bouns for the upper managment is concrened, yes its excessive but look around you its what every company in the US does for there top guys. They all have performance bouness.
So this is nothing new. Just look at AA they give there guys the same type of bounus money.
You can complain all you want about it but it is what it is.
Im more concerened that we come to an agreement that can bring us a pay raise and some benifit changes. Until we see if for sure theres no need to speculate.

 

[rat tales]

Hey west coast ex TWU guys and gals! Have you checked last years DOL OLMS annual report? I wonder if Randy knows why the TWU is being paid "off" every month in "contributions"
That was pretty honorable of them to walk away from you like that huh?


AFFILIATION OR ORGANIZATION NAME
MACHINISTS AFL-CIO

FORM LM-2 LABOR ORGANIZATION ANNUAL REPORT

SCHEDULE 17 - CONTRIBUTIONS, GIFTS & GRANTS

TRANSPORT WORKERS UNION

1700 BROADWAY 2ND FLOOR
NEW YORK
NY
10019

Total Itemized Transactions $249,996
Total Non-Itemized Transactions $0
Total of All Transactions $249,996
CONTRIBUTION 01/15/2007 $20,833
CONTRIBUTION 02/15/2007 $20,833
CONTRIBUTION 03/15/2007 $20,833
CONTRIBUTION 04/15/2007 $20,833
CONTRIBUTION 05/15/2007 $20,833
CONTRIBUTION 06/15/2007 $20,833
CONTRIBUTION 07/15/2007 $20,833
CONTRIBUTION 08/15/2007 $20,833
CONTRIBUTION 09/15/2007 $20,833
CONTRIBUTION 10/15/2007 $20,833
CONTRIBUTION 11/15/2007 $20,833
CONTRIBUTION 12/15/2007 $20,833

 

[isthisok]

Well dont go telling the West Mechs that is was a good deal. I work with these guys and most voted against it. They are giving up some shops in exchange for more pay. There were also things that they had that the east did not and gave that up too. Tim its all about the numbers and who has the most voice in a vote not if its a good deal or not.
As for the 200 % bouns for the upper managment is concrened, yes its excessive but look around you its what every company in the US does for there top guys. They all have performance bouness.
So this is nothing new. Just look at AA they give there guys the same type of bounus money.
You can complain all you want about it but it is what it is.
Im more concerened that we come to an agreement that can bring us a pay raise and some benifit changes. Until we see if for sure theres no need to speculate.

If you want to use that way of thinking than why is it that the company can't bring our wages and benefits up to American or every other company in this industry? And it is all about the numbers and who has the most voice in a vote and the voice said NO last time and if it is not better than the last it will be a big NO again. Just the numbers man, just the numbers! If thecompany wants to open our contract than they better give us a damn good offer. You can complain all you want about it but it is what it is!

PS - You can always say one thing and do another.

 

[Henderfuzz]

If you want to use that way of thinking than why is it that the company can't bring our wages and benefits up to American or every other company in this industry? And it is all about the numbers and who has the most voice in a vote and the voice said NO last time and if it is not better than the last it will be a big NO again. Just the numbers man, just the numbers! If thecompany wants to open our contract than they better give us a damn good offer. You can complain all you want about it but it is what it is!

PS - You can always say one thing and do another.

Well this is not a normal opening of the contract. Its a transistion agreement, thats why there will be certain things not addressed. That again seems to be a problem for some folks.
What we need is to take care of the pay and few other items than get ready for the real deal in a few years. To continue to wait and hold this up does not benifit anyone but the company becasue they just contiune to make those profits off our backs.
I for one dont by the fact they need us for any merger, I dont think were that important.

 

[isthisok]

Well this is not a normal opening of the contract. Its a transistion agreement, thats why there will be certain things not addressed. That again seems to be a problem for some folks.
What we need is to take care of the pay and few other items than get ready for the real deal in a few years. To continue to wait and hold this up does not benifit anyone but the company becasue they just contiune to make those profits off our backs.
I for one dont by the fact they need us for any merger, I dont think were that important.

Transition should be just that.....transition the West into the East contract and see ya at the end of 2009. If they want to make changes then anything goes. Why is it that people can accept the fact that this Band Of Thieves can arrogantly fatten their pockets in a time of greatly substandard operating conditions, but cannot offer industry standard compensation to us (I don't care what other workgroups have worked out).