Fleet Service topic 9/28-10/11

[MrX]

I strongly believe that Leads should have Lead seniority. Just a hypothetical:

If say you've been a lead for 18 years, never leaving lead position....that seniority should apply to a lead bidding schedule. Someone who is a senior agent with no lead experience but coming into a lead position should not get a better bid than someone doing the job longer.

Fix that ND '08

So Hypotheticaly if the above 18 year lead was say to get bumped back to the agent class he would have no seniority then?

Just the other side of the coin... cant see having it both ways

I believe what your suggesting was tried before when you were non union when the layoffs happened it pissed alot of folks off hence this is why the system is today. I'm a 25 year agent and if I opt to up to lead up grade I'm takin my time......

 

[LGA Fleet Service]

I strongly believe that Leads should have Lead seniority. Just a hypothetical:

If say you've been a lead for 18 years, never leaving lead position....that seniority should apply to a lead bidding schedule. Someone who is a senior agent with no lead experience but coming into a lead position should not get a better bid than someone doing the job longer.

Why not? Seniority is seniority.Why should a 20 year man who decides to take a lead position be junior to someone who has been a lead longer but has less time with the company?

 

[robbedagain]

I agree there LGA Im coming off of furlough to be a mainline ramp lead in BWI but Imnot sure what kind of shift Im going to get. I do hope it will be night shift so I can help my ailing grandmother and bed ridden from2 massive stroke uncle out. I have heard that I would get roughly my 7 yr seniority though ive also heard that I accrued some while out on furlough butnot sure on that. Would I get 10 yrs or would it be 6 yrs andsome days (i was 22 days short of my 7th yr with the company when we were furloughed). thanks

 

[giantfan]

Why not? Seniority is seniority.Why should a 20 year man who decides to take a lead position be junior to someone who has been a lead longer but has less time with the company?

I'll tell you why....because hypothetically speaking of course, I know a hypothetical lead that is sick & tired of training everyone how to do the friggin' job when the new lead is senior to them and getting a better shift. When there is a problem (which is just about everyday) who do you think they call to fix everything? A 20 year fleet guy who's been a lead for six months or a 18 year lead? Who do the shift managers call on the radio? Who do the the station managers ask? Who do the agents go to? Who does customer service go to? GUESS WHO?

Yet still, certain leads are working nights b/c when joe blow senior guy gets a wild hare up it's butt that the lead position will get him a better schedule, guess who gets bumped down again? Meanwhile they don't usually last...cause that $1.01 an hour just isn't worth putting up with the bs for.

There are certain hypothetical leads that are quite efficient in their jobs due to their experience and don't want to step down and work for leads with '05 DOH's...


THAT'S WHY!

 

[LGA Fleet Service]

The seniority system is what it is.You can't have it both ways.

You want a second level of seniority for lead agents so YOU can be senior to someone who is senior to you in company time.

At American we don't have separate seniority for crew chiefs, your occupational seniority date is what you live and die with.If that means a 30 year man decides he wants to play out the string as a crew chief, the other crew chiefs have to suck it up and deal with it.


Most times the super senior crew chiefs go hide in the bagrooms anyway,whats the problem?

 

[necigrad]

Is there talk of the premium going up?
This is the contract the company wanted not us, so tah tah, I'd be willing to open it back up,
but there's a fee for doing that, like an extra week of vacation, 10 holidays and a top out
wage of 21.64 an hour. Sorry Al

Apparantly the Company decided to lower rates on th epremise that their costs went down, so ours should to. The Union then filed a grievance on it. Now, being a West employee I'm not too up on how insurance premiums work under this contract, but I'm with the Union 150% here. If the Company wants to change something, it's to their benefit. Why? I've got a guess. By reducing the rates, and the Union NOT filing a grievance, there is a precedant for next year when the rates might go up. That "might" may just well be a guarantee as well, perhaps an agreement with the insurance co.

As to the senority list, I've got an Excel spreadsheet from someone (don't want to share the source without permission though). There is about 7800 FSEs FT and PT. That included Leads. And I'm going to gripe about an issue that BENEFITS me. I am one of two FSEs left from my class. He is older and for the 10 years of our employment has been senior to me. Now, apparantly due to Social Security numbers I become senior to him. That's NOT right.

Speaking of SSNs, WTF is the last four for EVERY FSE doing on that list? That information should be confidential.

 

[Ramp Rogue]

What is FSE?

 

[necigrad]

FSE = Fleet Service Employee. It is the term (that I know of) that doesn't differentiate between rampers and leads.

 

[b737200]

I'll tell you why....because hypothetically speaking of course, I know a hypothetical lead that is sick & tired of training everyone how to do the friggin' job when the new lead is senior to them and getting a better shift. When there is a problem (which is just about everyday) who do you think they call to fix everything? A 20 year fleet guy who's been a lead for six months or a 18 year lead? Who do the shift managers call on the radio? Who do the the station managers ask? Who do the agents go to? Who does customer service go to? GUESS WHO?

Yet still, certain leads are working nights b/c when joe blow senior guy gets a wild hare up it's butt that the lead position will get him a better schedule, guess who gets bumped down again? Meanwhile they don't usually last...cause that $1.01 an hour just isn't worth putting up with the bs for.

There are certain hypothetical leads that are quite efficient in their jobs due to their experience and don't want to step down and work for leads with '05 DOH's...


THAT'S WHY!

Sounds like your full of yourself.................you must be working the job as a shift manager.
I've worked lead on and off, it's not a big deal unless you've been molded by the management.
Someone calls you, tell them to call a shift manager. That's thier job to be up on the operation.
The leads job is to be a working member of the team, that's stated in the contract, not to be
a management assistant. As far as the seniority issue, you can't have both way's if a layoff
happens. Work like a union lead not a management lead, ask your co-workers to do the job
and stop ordering, the results will be better.

 

[john john]

error

 

[john john]

The Union then filed a grievance on it.

Can someone post information on the IAM GRIEVANCE?

 

[giantfan]

Sounds like your full of yourself.................you must be working the job as a shift manager.
I've worked lead on and off, it's not a big deal unless you've been molded by the management.
Someone calls you, tell them to call a shift manager. That's thier job to be up on the operation.
The leads job is to be a working member of the team, that's stated in the contract, not to be
a management assistant. As far as the seniority issue, you can't have both way's if a layoff
happens. Work like a union lead not a management lead, ask your co-workers to do the job
and stop ordering, the results will be better.

Geez...I'm so dumb you have all the answers, boy I wish I worked with you.

You make a lot of assumptions in your little post...for things you have no idea what you're talking about. My favorite part is the part where you tell this hypothetical lead to stop "ordering"....

Get back to me when you have a clue.

 

[Henderfuzz]

There should not be different seniority for leads and non leads. We went thru that years ago, and when layoffs happened, a guy who was able to keep his lead positon becasue of his seniorty got to stay when an agent who was senior to him was layed off. No thats nothing but trouble as far as Im concrened.
The only thing that should change is it should all be hire date.

 

[giantfan]

There should not be different seniority for leads and non leads. We went thru that years ago, and when layoffs happened, a guy who was able to keep his lead positon becasue of his seniorty got to stay when an agent who was senior to him was layed off. No thats nothing but trouble as far as Im concrened.
The only thing that should change is it should all be hire date.

Fuzz,

I agree when it comes to layoffs and all other seniority issues. The only thing I want is "lead senoirity" when bidding a lead line. That's it, pure & simple. DOH for everything else as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Jester]

There should not be different seniority for leads and non leads. We went thru that years ago, and when layoffs happened, a guy who was able to keep his lead positon becasue of his seniorty got to stay when an agent who was senior to him was layed off. No thats nothing but trouble as far as Im concrened.
The only thing that should change is it should all be hire date.

I can't figure how I heard in LAS when they did the furloughs was how a F/T ramp agent six months seniority keeps their job, while a P/T ramp agent 3 years on the job gets the boot. I know it is probably in the CBA, but does this really make much sense to anyone?

Also according to Necigrad, inner class seniority was based upon the last four-digits of SS number? I remember my class being date of birth with the older guys being higher, not to say it is right though. Maybe as an incentive and moviational tool that class test scores would be better (which of course, makes sense given I had the highest score in the class ).

So Puzzles Jester.