Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WorldTraveler]

well there you go.

anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot.

guess what, Einstein?

your coworkers don't see the world the way you do.

you are a triangular peg in a world of circles.

the answer to your question should be obvious since you trot it out all the time... profits and profit sharing are not guarantees. there is no way of knowing what DL's profits would have been if they had retained the same formula.

doesn't change that you will get the fastest profit sharing check in your career at DL and DL employees will get a fatter check than any other group of airline employees in the history of the US airline industry.

since the world is all about you and they are all out to get you, of course it isn't enough.

 

[topDawg]

well there you go.

anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot.

guess what, Einstein?

your coworkers don't see the world the way you do.

you are a triangular peg in a world of circles.

the answer to your question should be obvious since you trot it out all the time... profits and profit sharing are not guarantees. there is no way of knowing what DL's profits would have been if they had retained the same formula.

doesn't change that you will get the fastest profit sharing check in your career at DL and DL employees will get a fatter check than any other group of airline employees in the history of the US airline industry.

since the world is all about you and they are all out to get you, of course it isn't enough.

How much higher would the profit sharing pay out be if it was under the old plan. Just answer the question man. 
 
 
and I am not nearly the only who thinks the pilots screwed up. Plenty of pilots who think the others are also idiots. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

can't be known.

you have no idea what profits DL would have had under the old PS arrangement.

 

[topDawg]

can't be known.

you have no idea what profits DL would have had under the old PS arrangement.

So now your saying this year would have been different profit wise because of the old PS plan? 
 
Gah your weak. Answer the question and quit with the excuses. 

 

[Kev3188]

Why answer when he can wring another 5-10 posts out of it?

 

[WorldTraveler]

you two aren't smart enough to realize that profit sharing is a COST and increased costs do not necessarily translate into the same amount of profits?

and why have you carried on for the better part of this thread about DL's horrendous profit sharing program all the while hesitating at nothing to cash the checks (or use the deposits they put into your account)?

 

[Kev3188]

I've yet to see it referred to as "horrendous." Are those your words, or can you point us to where you saw that term used?

 

[eolesen]

you two aren't smart enough to realize that profit sharing is a COST and increased costs do not necessarily translate into the same amount of profits?

Nice try, but trying to label profit sharing as an increased cost that affects profitability is a circular reference.

 

[topDawg]

you two aren't smart enough to realize that profit sharing is a COST and increased costs do not necessarily translate into the same amount of profits?

and why have you carried on for the better part of this thread about DL's horrendous profit sharing program all the while hesitating at nothing to cash the checks (or use the deposits they put into your account)?

 Okay so you don't understand profit sharing. Thats okay WT. We will just add it to the list. 
 

Why answer when he can wring another 5-10 posts out of it?

 no kidding. 
 

I've yet to see it referred to as "horrendous." Are those your words, or can you point us to where you saw that term used?

 I'd love to see a quote on that too please. 
 

Nice try, but trying to label profit sharing as an increased cost that affects profitability is a circular reference.

this guy gets it. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

Nice try, but trying to label profit sharing as an increased cost that affects profitability is a circular reference.

for someone that says a couple percent doesn't matter, I am certain you don't get it.

Profit sharing is a cost.

if profit sharing was paid at 15% of salaries, DL's costs would have been higher - if only for that issue.

DL's profits would have been lower.

did you sleep thru the whole discussion that raged for a month about how AA managed to post a larger net profit than DL despite having a lower percentage for gross profits - because AA didn't pay profit sharing - or account for taxes.

and dawg, I wouldn't be throwing around that someone else doesn't understand profit sharing when the whole concept of no fly zones that arose in the past six months has taken all day for someone to explain to you.

and it also doesn't change that despite your DISGUST with DL's reduced profit sharing, you didn't return it as a conscientious objector, now did you?

of course not. You spent it.

 

[700UW]

Those pilots by the end of this year, in the past two and half year period have or will receive a 20% increase in wages.

 

[WorldTraveler]

oh poor DL pilots.

they also allowed DL to add a bunch of new RJs.

outsourcing is apparently ok if it gets a pay raise which you can use to argue that they got more than other employees but otherwise, outsourcing is bad, right?

 

[700UW]

It didnt cause one Delta Pilot to be laidoff now did it?
 
And they replaced other RJs that were parked, guess you didnt hear that DL shutdown Comair.
 
And why did the pilots get huge raises compared to the non-union employees?

 

[WorldTraveler]

neither has any of DL's other moves including MEM and every other issue about which you have beotched about.

every affected employee was given the option to transfer - not unlike what pilots have to do.

the pilots only got huge pay raises in your mind.

in reality, they didn't. Ask them. and they had a union.

 

[700UW]

They didnt?
 
How many times do I have to post this?
 
And once again you change and deflect.
 
http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304058404577496790953561450
 

June 2012
 
The nearly 11,000 pilots will receive a 4% pay increase on this week, another increase of 8.5% in January and then two annual increases of 3%, according to an earlier union bulletin that explained the terms of the deal reached May 15. By the end of 2014, pay rates will be nearly 20% higher than they are today, ALPA said in that bulletin. A 737 captain who earned $153 an hour in 2008, the year Delta and Northwest Airlines merged, will be paid $217 an hour effective in January 2015.
 
Aside from the higher pay rates and an increase in the company's contribution to the pilot's pension plan in 2014, the Delta pilots won increased flying as the airline is acquiring 88 small Boeing Co. 717s jetliners that will be flown by them, not pilots at Delta's commuter affiliates. In return, the pilots will let Delta add 70 smaller jets to its regional airline operations and require Delta to phase out some of the smallest 50-seat jets flown by the regional affiliates.