Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WorldTraveler]

Company profits large enough to trigger the 15%payout  threshold, and a PS check equally 15% of one's income are two different things, but you already know that.
 
Like I said; maybe it'll come to an amount equaling 15% one one's income, and maybe it won't. We'll have to see.
 
And that still doesn't change the fact that the entire program can be changed at any time, for any reason.

DL people don't live their lives in the fear and pessimism that are characteristic of the union organizing wing of this board.

the world is full of all kinds of personalities... people who always see the negative in everything is just part of that reality.

but most people can identify the pessimists in a crowd and recognize that their perspectives are not the norm.

Specific to this topic, the vast majority of DL people understand that nothing in life is cut in stone, including profit sharing.

Profit sharing isn't a given for WN people because profits aren't a guarantee there.

But DL mgmt. like WN has figured out how to succeed where and to a degree far beyond what other carriers can do.

DL people don't expect profit sharing to be a handout.

they work for DL's success and share in it.

all of the contracts at other airlines mean nothing when they deliver less than what many of DL's peers receive in compensation.

actions speak far louder than words - written or spoken.

 

[Kev3188]

I think the phrase you were looking for was:

"Good point. That's an important distinction to make, and I'll try to do so going forward."

 

[WorldTraveler]

the improved tone is certainly a helpful reminder, Kev.

but you might find success in your sanitization campaign if it wasn't one sided - I have never seen you ask anyone else to clean up their style if it is against me.

see several posts above mine.

I do not believe in unilateral disarmament but I am all about working together to reach a common goal.

and specific to profit sharing, it might be a valid point that DL COULD change what they currently offer - but I have also never heard you or any other union supporters acknowledge that DL's compensation track record is strong - including the fact that DL offers one of the highest levels of profit sharing not just among airlines but ALL large US corporations.

 

[700UW]

Ten Reasons Why Delta Air Lines Doesn't Like Union Dues
1- Dues pay for a contract proposals convention where members democratically decide their priorities.
2- Dues pay for democratically elected member negotiators to negotiate a contract with Delta.
3- Dues pay for some of the best attorneys and financial advisors to help member negotiators counter Delta lawyers during contract negotiations so that we get the best contract possible.
4- Dues pay for union newspapers, newsletters, websites and Facebook pages that allow union members to stay informed and communicate system wide.
5- Dues pay for indepth training of union representatives so they know FMLA, OJI and other labor laws and rights and how they apply to you. Sedgwick and ESIS won't hold all the cards.
6- Dues pay for political clout for working family issues at state capitols and in Washington D.C.
7- Dues pay for offices, phones and computers so that union reps can organize members, communicate with members and act as the nerve center of union activity.
8- Dues pay for a world class union training center in Placid Harbor, Maryland.
9- Dues pay for delegates (that you elect) to go to system wide and nationwide conventions that decide on how our union should be run.
10- Dues pay for a voice for all of us.

 

[topDawg]

the improved tone is certainly a helpful reminder, Kev.

but you might find success in your sanitization campaign if it wasn't one sided - I have never seen you ask anyone else to clean up their style if it is against me.

see several posts above mine.

I do not believe in unilateral disarmament but I am all about working together to reach a common goal.

and specific to profit sharing, it might be a valid point that DL COULD change what they currently offer - but I have also never heard you or any other union supporters acknowledge that DL's compensation track record is strong - including the fact that DL offers one of the highest levels of profit sharing not just among airlines but ALL large US corporations.That it cut back last year..... 

Fixed that for you. 

 

[topDawg]

Ten Reasons Why Delta Air Lines Doesn't Like Union Dues
1- Dues pay for a contract proposals convention where members democratically decide their priorities.
2- Dues pay for democratically elected member negotiators to negotiate a contract with Delta.
3- Dues pay for some of the best attorneys and financial advisors to help member negotiators counter Delta lawyers during contract negotiations so that we get the best contract possible.
4- Dues pay for union newspapers, newsletters, websites and Facebook pages that allow union members to stay informed and communicate system wide.
5- Dues pay for indepth training of union representatives so they know FMLA, OJI and other labor laws and rights and how they apply to you. Sedgwick and ESIS won't hold all the cards.
6- Dues pay for political clout for working family issues at state capitols and in Washington D.C.
7- Dues pay for offices, phones and computers so that union reps can organize members, communicate with members and act as the nerve center of union activity.
8- Dues pay for a world class union training center in Placid Harbor, Maryland.
9- Dues pay for delegates (that you elect) to go to system wide and nationwide conventions that decide on how our union should be run.
10- Dues pay for a voice for all of us.

huh? 
 
So the IAM wants you to go to class on how to be a union but they have been sucking ass at being a union? (for airlines) 
 
Am i the only one who finds that funny as heck? 

 

[southwind]

Ten Reasons Why Delta Air Lines Doesn't Like Union Dues
1- Dues pay for a contract proposals convention where members democratically decide their priorities.
2- Dues pay for democratically elected member negotiators to negotiate a contract with Delta.
3- Dues pay for some of the best attorneys and financial advisors to help member negotiators counter Delta lawyers during contract negotiations so that we get the best contract possible.
4- Dues pay for union newspapers, newsletters, websites and Facebook pages that allow union members to stay informed and communicate system wide.
5- Dues pay for indepth training of union representatives so they know FMLA, OJI and other labor laws and rights and how they apply to you. Sedgwick and ESIS won't hold all the cards.
6- Dues pay for political clout for working family issues at state capitols and in Washington D.C.
7- Dues pay for offices, phones and computers so that union reps can organize members, communicate with members and act as the nerve center of union activity.
8- Dues pay for a world class union training center in Placid Harbor, Maryland.
9- Dues pay for delegates (that you elect) to go to system wide and nationwide conventions that decide on how our union should be run.
10- Dues pay for a voice for all of us.

 
Don't forget the 11th reason the IAM needs dues paying members! The IAM "Corporate" jet needs gas!
 
IAM EXPOSED http://iamexposed.org/jet.html

 

[WorldTraveler]

Fixed that for you.

no, you got it wrong.

DL increased the total payout even while decreasing the percentage

and you do remember that the pilots agreed to the reduced percentage don't you?

your profit sharing for this year will be almost twice what it was last year - while your peers at other airlines get nothing or far less.

having you comment about how DL has reduced profit sharing belies the fact that profit sharing has added literally thousands of extra income for you.

 

[Kev3188]

no, you got it wrong.

DL increased the total payout even while decreasing the percentage

No they didn't; actual employees are the ones making that hapen by generating record setting revenue(s)...

Still doesn't change the fact that it can all be unilaterally changed at any time, for any reason...

 

[WorldTraveler]

Yes, Kev, DL made the payout.

there is no doubt that employees like you, Baba, meto, and dawg along with people in lots of places at the GO including in the Network/RM who make the decisions about where, when, and with how much DL will fly plus more make DL as profitable as it is.

again, all the "could" talk has to be weighed against reality.... DL could have cut it off a long time ago but they didn't?

why do you suppose they are likely going to bust thru the $1B mark in profit sharing in a year - never before seen in the US airline industry and in very, very few companies.


instead of arguing about what DL could do, help us understand from your perspective why DL continues to grow its profits and share it with its employees - and why anyone would walk away from what works?

 

[Kev3188]

Yes, Kev, DL made the payout.

Actually, it hasn't been made in full yet.

again, all the "could" talk has to be weighed against reality.... DL could have cut it off a long time ago but they didn't?

Actually "could" talk is reality...

why do you suppose they are likely going to bust thru the $1B mark in profit sharing in a year - never before seen in the US airline industry and in very, very few companies.

'Cause Baba, Meto, Dawg, & I (along with 80k of our closest friends) are putting on a f'ing clininc...

 

[WorldTraveler]

Actually, it hasn't been made in full yet.


Actually "could" talk is reality...

'Cause Baba, Meto, Dawg, & I (along with 80k of our closest friends) are putting on a f'ing clininc...

huh?

yes, and no other airline employees have rec'd ANY of their 2014 profit sharing yet, have they?

has DL changed its guidance on its projected profit sharing? if they do, by all means we want to know.

beyond clarifying your last sentence, why is DL paying it.... not what you and your DL coworkers are doing. we know you are running a fantastic airline.... but do you then say that AA employees are not? UA and WN employees less so than DL employees?

 

[topDawg]

no, you got it wrong.

DL increased the total payout even while decreasing the percentage

and you do remember that the pilots agreed to the reduced percentage don't you?

your profit sharing for this year will be almost twice what it was last year - while your peers at other airlines get nothing or far less.

having you comment about how DL has reduced profit sharing belies the fact that profit sharing has added literally thousands of extra income for you.

The total pay out increased because profit went up. What would the total pay out be under the old profit sharing plan? 
 
Yes the pilots signed a turd because they wanted the carrot. They also gave up more scope and other things. 
 
Of course what the pilots do has nothing to do with this. (and FWIW I believe they got a 8% raise or something like that. non-union took the same cuts for a 4 or 5% raise. #winning) 

 

[WorldTraveler]

the pilots allowed more large RJs in order to get that 5% pay raise. lots of them don't feel like they #won

your profit sharing is the highest in the industry EVER.

I'm sure it isn't enough for you - but you will have no problem spending it nonetheless.

#hypocrisy

 

[topDawg]

the pilots allowed more large RJs in order to get that 5% pay raise. lots of them don't feel like they #won

your profit sharing is the highest in the industry EVER.

I'm sure it isn't enough for you - but you will have no problem spending it nonetheless.

#hypocrisy

Then the pilots should do something about it. I don't feel bad for them, the majority of their membership are idiots and gutless. 
 
You didn't answer why question, what would the profit sharing be under the old plan? quit running from it.