Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[Kev3188]

It's not surprising that the pro-union crowd wants to jump on MEM as if it is the lightning rod that will end all and be all for employees to seal a deal with the unions....

however, can we step back in airline history and look at literally dozens of airline strategic changes that took place:

closures of multiple hubs by US and AA - PIT, every other city in the NE, RDU, STL, SJC, BNA....

NW - BOS int'l, DCA

UA - SEA is just the latest.....

it is little more than childishness to try and argue that there is anything different about DL's MEM cuts or CVG restructuring that hasn't played out dozens of times before, including DL in ORD, IAH, etc.

Way to refute an argument absolutely no one's making.

and there is also nothing different about the way DL does restructuring its network than any other airline does other than that DL doesn't allow bumping of employees -

...Which means that DL does it completely different from any other carrier...

@Josh-- Some places have a nifty "welcome to XXX" binder that displaced employees can use as a resource. Last I saw, ours has an outdated apartment guide, a city map, and some take out menus- just what an uprooted family needs.

 

[Kev3188]

Truth!

 

[WorldTraveler]

...Which means that DL does it completely different from any other carrier...

and since YOUR PEERS voted, what 9 times, that they didn't want the same old, same old that other carriers offer via their unions, different is apparently quite desirable.

 

[700UW]

Since when did ACS vote nine times?
 
That is his peers.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Kevin's peers are all DL employees; kinda like all DL employees got and will get the same percentage of profit sharing - 15% for this year. that's a whole lot of extra pay that other cAArriers won't be offering their employees.

 

[700UW]

Are you sure about that?
 
WN has profit sharing as does PMUS CSA and Res.

 

[700UW]

 

[robbedagain]

Kev  did you get the full 15% percent PS from DL   as WT claims     I would not think so  but may be   just may be R.A. may have been nicer to do that out of kindness of his heart......  🙄

 

[WorldTraveler]

profit sharing hasn't been calculated for the 4th quarter because the 4th quarter hasn't closed but DL has given investor guidance for profit sharing that would be at 15% or more.

Delta doesn't pay profit sharing out of the goodness of their heart. Just like WN, DL pays profit sharing because it aligns employee financial goals with that of the company.

It isn't a surprise that DL and WN both have some of the strongest financials and also the healthiest profit sharing.

 

[Kev3188]

Since when did ACS vote nine times?

Since never.
 
 

Kev  did you get the full 15% percent PS from DL   as WT claims

No. We don't get PS until Valentine's Day, and we won;t know what percentage of our income it'll equate to until after the full year profits are calculated. Maybe it'll be 15%, maybe it won't, but it's a little disingenuous of WT to continually throw that number around as absolute.

...And relevant to this thread, there's nothing saying they ever have to return anything to us at all...

No CBA, no recourse...

 

[eolesen]

A little disingenuous of WT to continually throw that number around as absolute.

Every number WT throws about is an absolute. Until it isn't.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Maybe it'll be 15%, maybe it won't, but it's a little disingenuous of WT to continually throw that number around as absolute.

which is why DL provides investor guidance for a number of items which included profit sharing. Go back and read DL's 3rd quarter earnings release. It's right in there.

companies always can alter guidance but DL hasn't.

if you have a CBA and you work for AA, then the only certainty is that you WON'T have profit sharing.

if you have a CBA and you work for UA, it will be 1/3 or less of what DL employees will get.

If you work for WN, you'll get some and it might come close to DL's - but they have received virtually no pray raises for years and the only groups that have settled are getting pay raises far less than DL's.

You as a DL employee have enjoyed more pay raises for larger amounts of money than any of your peers at least at the big 4 and probably most of the industry.

so, clutch that CBA, Kev. your peers at DL could care less about a piece of paper that gives them less than what they get without it.

 

[Kev3188]

Company profits large enough to trigger the 15%payout  threshold, and a PS check equally 15% of one's income are two different things, but you already know that.
 
Like I said; maybe it'll come to an amount equaling 15% one one's income, and maybe it won't. We'll have to see.
 
And that still doesn't change the fact that the entire program can be changed at any time, for any reason.

 

[topDawg]

which is why DL provides investor guidance for a number of items which included profit sharing. Go back and read DL's 3rd quarter earnings release. It's right in there.

companies always can alter guidance but DL hasn't.

if you have a CBA and you work for AA, then the only certainty is that you WON'T have profit sharing.

if you have a CBA and you work for UA, it will be 1/3 or less of what DL employees will get.

If you work for WN, you'll get some and it might come close to DL's - but they have received virtually no pray raises for years and the only groups that have settled are getting pay raises far less than DL's.

You as a DL employee have enjoyed more pay raises for larger amounts of money than any of your peers at least at the big 4 and probably most of the industry.

so, clutch that CBA, Kev. your peers at DL could care less about a piece of paper that gives them less than what they get without it.

And at Delta they can cut your profit sharing however they want. Or cut it all together. 

 

[robbedagain]

Except wt cannot comprehend that dawg n kev not sure how clear that is but going by your posts its clear cut delta can do whatever they want for any reason regardless what the dl preacher says