Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WorldTraveler]

not sure why you got a negative mark for your post, Kev, but you do realize that the contract only has 1.5% raises. Have any of your raises been only 1.5%? I don't think so but perhaps you can tell us when.

also, the agreement doesn't spell out WN's profit sharing formula. given that DL employees are on track to receive a 15% profit sharing payment this year, the bar is set pretty high for profit sharing.

maybe they will surpass it along with the other terms.

so far, the rate of compensation increases by DL employees is unmatched in the industry and the WN contract doesn't appear to change it.

 

[700UW]

You do realize that they were ALREADY the highest paid in the industry and other areas?

When are you going to realize profit sharing is one thing in a CBA?

And there is way more than just PS?

 

[Kev3188]

Looks like the WN employees overwhelmingly decided that their industry leading base rates, and 401k match are worth it. To say nothing of the improved scope, attendance bonuses, and other enhancements. 
 
Best of all? They got to VOTE on it. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

You do realize that they were ALREADY the highest paid in the industry and other areas?

When are you going to realize profit sharing is one thing in a CBA?

And there is way more than just PS?

I am aware that WN employees are the highest paid. DL could throw up its hands and just tell its employees there is nothing that can be done about it... or increase compensation as fast as possible and at rates faster than other carriers.

DL has taken the latter approach. DL's compensation increases have not been matched by any carriers int he industry.

I'm just looking for the formula for WN's profit sharing. there are a lot of things that ARE mentioned in the term sheet. I'm looking for the profit sharing calculation in order to know how well WN employees fare in that area compare to DL employees... and vice versa.

 

[robbedagain]

While i realize that u are a big fan of PS what happens to oil prices in the future could go up thus less profits or worse no profits then no profit sharing as for wn ratification congrats to all of them

kev i wish to see you all become union ya all need a voice bro good luck.

 

[topDawg]

dawg,
did it occur to you that part of the reason that DL has increased pay as much as it has is in part because there is a shortage of pilots and mechanics that will grow? DL has the resources to be able to become the choice for new airline employees - or those that are coming from regional carriers?
Profit sharing is a great incentive for existing employees but the compensation advantage that DL has makes DL a lot more attractive for employees that are deciding which major airlines to work for.

the pilot shortage is going to really start biting within a few years. there will be US airlines that will lose regional carrier feed because those carriers don't have the pilots to fly them. They can try to throw mainline aircraft to replace small RJ flying but that only works if you restructure their networks.

The same is true of mechanics. Low pay and shrinking workforces will make other airlines far more vulnerable and you are absolutely right that airlines that outsource much of their maintenance will be most vulnerable because those mechanics will go to the majors where they can make the most money.

and the fact that UA labor is shrinking but keeping salaries up might help the few that are left but eventually UA will find it increasingly different to find mechanics to come in without seeing their cost go thru the roof.

AA has a lot of mechanics who are low paid and AA will try to hold on to them even though they will get a maintenance holiday with their new aircraft - but people aren't going to sit around at AA making low pay waiting for the market to self correct and their pay to eventually go up.

labor shortages are a lot bigger part of staffing and pay in the industry than a lot of people imagine.

If that were true I would say sure. 
 
Delta is getting thousands of applications for hundreds of spots. Shortages aren't noticeable to the big boys. Its the regional/MRO type model that is going to feel the burn. 
 

While i realize that u are a big fan of PS what happens to oil prices in the future could go up thus less profits or worse no profits then no profit sharing as for wn ratification congrats to all of them

kev i wish to see you all become union ya all need a voice bro good luck.

At Delta it doesn't matter. Profits go away they will cut base pay and wont be a thing anyone who isn't a pilot can do about it. 

 

[robbedagain]

So sad yet so true dawg i wish n u all the best in becoming union

 

[WorldTraveler]

and for someone who has been at DL for as long as you say you have should know that the pilots have taken it just as bad if not harder than non-contract employees.

Many pilots suffered far bigger losses in their retirements than non-contract employees did and pilots will tell you they are a lot further from reaching the pay levels they had pre-BK than other employee groups.

I'm curious as to why you think DL would start doing something now that they haven't done in decades when there was a pilot union but no union for most other employees.

what logic do you use to fear that change when it hasn't happened before?

 

[southwind]

Meanwhile. WN agents just overwhelmingly ratified their T/A. Industry leading base pay, attendance bonuses, and more. I wonder what the EIG or FIT teams will get for DL employees? Oh wait, nevermind...
 
http://www.iamdl142.org/Bulletins/2014/SWA%20TA%20Highlights.pdf

Maybe you should fill out an application.

 

[Kev3188]

Think I'll stick around, thanks...

 

[topDawg]

and for someone who has been at DL for as long as you say you have should know that the pilots have taken it just as bad if not harder than non-contract employees.

who's pilots? not Delta pilots. They had 5 weeks, 14% 401k match, better health care etc. 
 

 

Many pilots suffered far bigger losses in their retirements than non-contract employees did and pilots will tell you they are a lot further from reaching the pay levels they had pre-BK than other employee groups.

Well duh. If you make 30Billion and take a pay cut to 1Billion you are going to lose a ton of money. However, Delta can't just walk up and do as they wish with the pilots. 

 

I'm curious as to why you think DL would start doing something now that they haven't done in decades when there was a pilot union but no union for most other employees.

I'm sorry, delta hasn't just cut employee pay before? huh? 


 

what logic do you use to fear that change when it hasn't happened before?

 When what hasn't happened before? I know you are not talking about cutting non-union employee benefits. Most of my career at Delta has been cuts.  
 

Think I'll stick around, thanks...

always good to see that posted too. 
 
I almost want the FAs and ramp to go union just to watch the melt down on here.

 

[WorldTraveler]

then perhaps you should be the one filling out the application if it has been so bad
WHY have you stayed around?

you are either incredibly stupid or lazy. If it has been so bad, why have you stayed?

really. move on.

 

[topDawg]

then perhaps you should be the one filling out the application if it has been so bad
WHY have you stayed around?

you are either incredibly stupid or lazy. If it has been so bad, why have you stayed?

really. move on.

ah so now I'm stupid and lazy? 
 
Southwind, care to jump in here? 
 
So don't answer any of my questions and just go to name calling. Good work. 

 

[700UW]

From Blue Notes Organizing:
 

 

To our coworkers at Delta Air Lines,
 
On December 2 Delta terminated Kip Hedge’s employment after 26 years of consistent service and building this airline. They fired him because they said he had made disparaging remarks about Delta on a video posted on a FaceBook page called $15 Now Minnesota, a site devoted to raising the minimum wage to $15/hour. They also deemed his remarks to be untrue.
 
Here is what he said-“A lot of Delta workers make under $15/hour. As a matter of fact, I would say probably close to half make under $15/hour. So there’s a lot of them that understand how important this is and a lot of the better paid workers also understand that the bottom has to be raised otherwise the top is going to fall as well.”
 
Listen for yourself here:
 
http://www.workdayminnesota.org/…/airport-workers-mobilize-…
 
Many of you know Kip has been a leading activist in the fight for a union, a contract and a voice for all of us. He has also been a vocal advocate for increasing the minimum wage to $15/hour for all workers at MSP airport, including Delta workers and the hundreds of low paid workers who work for vendors and service Delta aircraft.
 
Delta’s action should strengthen our resolve to get a union. None of us should be subject to this kind of treatment. There is only one way to stop this kind of arbitrary discipline. There is only one way to stop the speed-up we are experiencing on the ramp, to stop the outsourcing of our jobs, to stop the secret write ups in our records, the destruction of full time lines, the increasing costs of insurance. That is with a union, a voice and a contract.
 
We cannot be intimidated. We cannot be afraid. Kip won’t be running from this fight. Our future union, the IAM, is standing 100% behind Kip. The labor movement of Minnesota is standing behind him. Many political leaders have pledged their support. Most importantly, we as coworkers and fellow employees must stand with me to correct this injustice. Kip promises to stay in touch and give updates. You can support this fight. You can start by signing an IAM representation election card…today.

 
 

 

[700UW]

 

The IAM Delta campaign Monday began a week-long effort to reach out to Delta Flight Attendants in Atlanta to answer any Flight Attendants’ questions or concerns and to make preparations for the upcoming representation election.
 
“The response has been just unbelievable,” said IAM-represented Flight Attendant Melissa Brennan. “We’ve received many new cards and had tons of great conversations with Delta Flight Attendants who are smart, open minded and ready to have a voice in their professional future.”
 
The IAM Delta campaign began approximately two years ago by hundreds of Delta Flight Attendant activists who began their historic movement to gain collective bargaining rights at the most profitable US airline.

Under federal law, at least 50 percent of Delta Flight Attendants must request that a representation election be held.
 
If the National Mediation Board (NMB)—a federal agency—determines the requisite “showing of interest” threshold is met, the NMB will conduct a representation election.
 
Delta Air Lines is strictly prohibited under federal guidelines from ever knowing who has signed an election authorization card.
 
- See more at: http://www.iamdelta.net/2014/12/03/iam-delta-warmly-received-in-atlanta/#sthash.RRO1cdgT.dpuf