Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WorldTraveler]

You do realize that the airline industry has one of the highest percentages of a unionized workforce?

I sure do... which is precisely why the fact that employees at one of the most non-unionized airlines in the industry make more than their peers at more heavily unionized airlines shows that unions are not delivering what they should be in order to draw new members.

again, I don't vote. DL employees do. They have repeatedly and consistently voted against further unionization.

 

[700UW]

 

[WorldTraveler]

this is "what?"

the last time?

do or die?

 

[700UW]

I sure do... which is precisely why the fact that employees at one of the most non-unionized airlines in the industry make more than their peers at more heavily unionized airlines shows that unions are not delivering what they should be in order to draw new members.

again, I don't vote. DL employees do. They have repeatedly and consistently voted against further unionization.

Guess you forgot once again that Virgin American FAs, JetBlue's ramp and Spirit's Ramp all recently unionized?
 
Thats three more employee groups at three different airlines that wanted and got representation.

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, I didn't forget.

perhaps you can show us the number of unionized airline employees now vs. 10 years ago - even 5 - and show us the progress that has been made.

 

[700UW]

Why dont you show us the # of employees that have been laidoff dues to inept management and how many airlines have gone out of business or filed chapter 11?

 

[WorldTraveler]

so you are admitting that there are indeed fewer employees in the airline industry and unions couldn't do anything about it?


Don't worry about the airlines that went out of business. just focus on those that exist today and existed in 2000 including their merger partners.

 

[700UW]

I am admitting there are less airlines and employees around due to inept management, events like SARS and 9/11.
 
And are the bankruptcy laws fair in this country?
 
Why should employees get their pensions terminated and a CEO who failed his employees and shareholders walkaway with $6 million in his pension for being there two years vs an employee who has over 20?
 
Did DL's non-union employees have a say in what happened to them in chapter 11 vs any other airline employee who were unionized?

 

[WorldTraveler]

so unions really couldn't stop mgmt. or BK laws?

and the results are clear- DL cut a smaller percentage of its workforce between 2000 and NW's exit from BK as the last of the 4 bankruptcies in that decade.

Only CO and AA fared better since they didn't file for BK in the decade of 9/11.

 

[700UW]

Unionized workers faired better in chapter 11 than non-union employees.
 
NW employees came out of chapter 11 way better than DL employees.
 
And you seem to focus on one issue and beat it to death.
 
And yet you ignore the facts and reality of the situation.
 
Being union and having a CBA is better than being an employee at will anytime.
 
Why do unionized workers on the average earn more and have better benefits than their non-union counterparts?
 
How many employees did DL cut in Leadership 7.5, BEFORE they filed Chapter 11?
 
Where is Delta Express and Song at these days?

Closing of the DFW and MCO hubs, DFW hangar, TPA hangar, shall I continue?
 
How many employees lost their jobs at Comair?

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, NW employees DID NOT fare better.

NW took AMFA to the cleaners to the tune of 5000 of the highest paying ground jobs.

You would like to pretend that didn't count in the job losses and cost cuts but it most certainly did.

and if you want to go back to the 80s, then tell us about the cuts at other carriers - US particularly was in one cut mode after another.

would you care to tell us how many employees US cut in the 80s?

how about PIT, BNA, RDU, etc etc.

you seem incapable of realizing that DL is far from the only carrier that cut either before or after 9/11 and DL employees could have sought a union if they thought they had been taken advantage of by the company - but they and thousands of former NW employees who had unions voted "NO"

Not once but pretty close to a dozen times over the past 20 years.

 

[Kev3188]

All well & good, but tens of thousands of employees have only voted once.
 
Thousands more haven't ever had the chance to vote.
 
I'm not clairvoyant, but all signs point to that changing soon...

 

[700UW]

 

[WorldTraveler]

and guess what? Americans get those things without unions as well.

which is probably why they don't see a need for unions as reflected by private sector unionization rates less than 7%.

 

[700UW]

And what percentage of airline employees are unionized?