Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WorldTraveler]

and we have had the discussion before here that airline employees are only considered aerospace workers in the IAM's attempts to represent airline employees.

Boeing and Lockheed employees are AEROSPACE employees.

perhaps you can give us a breakdown of IAM members by industry - and don't you dare try to lump Boeing and Delta in the same industry.

and then break the airline sector down even further to show how many FAs the IAM represents.

thanks much, amigo

btw, 700, I'm sure you will be redoing your charts based on DL's decision to redo its health plan options and allow employees to change, won't you?

who negotiated that for the FAs?

the DL FAs apparently DO have a VOICE and the company heard it without a union.

 

[700UW]

The IAM is one of the largest unions in the airlines, Air Transport has over 100,000 members, just itself.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.

 

[Kev3188]

 

International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers.
 

Ah yes. Thank you.

Aerospace workers.

 

[WorldTraveler]

you didn't answer the question about the number of FAs.

you also didn't say what percentage of IAM members are airline employees.

plz and thx

Ah yes. Thank you.

Aerospace workers.

Boeing employees

 

[700UW]

If there are 750,000 total members and I believe about 500,000 active the Transportation department is the largest or one of the largest division in the IAM.
 
Numbers are out there, LM2 or LM990.
 
Its there for you to see, come on mr numbers man.
 
The IAM represents more airline employees than any other union.

 

[Kev3188]

 

the DL FAs apparently DO have a VOICE and the company heard it without a union.

 
I wonder what made the company "hear" the F/A's?

If the carrier is so in touch with it's employees, why didn't they just roll this plan out in the first place?

 

[Kev3188]

 

If there are 750,000 total members and I believe about 500,000 active the Transportation department is the largest or one of the largest division in the IAM.
 
Numbers are out there, LM2 or LM990.
 
Its there for you to see, come on mr numbers man.
 
The IAM represents more airline employees than any other union.

All good things.

And you know what? The majority of DL F/A's have exercised their right to a vote to join them.

 

[700UW]

And DL FAs will be one of the largest groups in the IAM if they unionize.

 

[WorldTraveler]

which should be very scary and very suspect.

the IAM has very little experience with FAs and the DL FAs will become one of the biggest groups... sounds like the IAM is looking for revenue growth more than proven experience with a workgroup.

yes, we are aware of how many UA workers the IAM USED TO represent before the membership with the IAM's rubber stamp agreed to eliminate thousands of jobs.

perhaps Kev can remind as to why the AFA lost elections at DL... they at least have industry and FA experience.

now, tell me again why DL FAs should be assured that the IAM won't sanction that same kind of thing at DL?

I wonder what made the company "hear" the F/A's?

If the carrier is so in touch with it's employees, why didn't they just roll this plan out in the first place?

they should have done more research, Kev.

and it was too aggressive of a jump. They are pulling back and they are apparently making the changes retroactive - which means reimbursements will be made in line with the plan the employee chooses.



but DL employees have spoken and it wasn't just the FAs that spoke. DL could have excluded the pilots since they are under a contract but apparently is not doing that.

 

[700UW]

Very Little Experience?
 
They represented CO's  FAs for years and had one of the highest rates of pay and kept their pension through CO's Chapter 11 filing.
 
They also represented TWA's FAs for years and kept TW in business longer than they should have been.
 
Keep up the lies and misinformation.
 
There were thousands of FAs at CO under the IAM representation and they are still working under their IAM CO CBA.

 

[WorldTraveler]

CO FAs had high scales and when their costs became uncompetitive, they sold the airline to UA.

CO doesn't exist anymore.

The question is how many CURRENT FAs the IAM represents.

and thank you for reminding us of the tribal warfare that is going on at UA because of differing unions at CO and UA and how painful it is for a union to lose a single member - and why UA FAs don't see the value in the CO's IAM CBA

 

[700UW]

SOLD?
 
It was a merger with CO's CEO taking charge.
 
At UA and the AFA it was all about numbers.
 
Doesnt matter how many FAs they currently represent, the knowledge, skill level and education is there.
 
And DL FAs will elect their representatives and have their own District.

 

[Kev3188]

 

There were thousands of FAs at CO under the IAM representation and they are still working under their IAM CO CBA.

Same story at DL. Plenty of people experience being represented. Plenty of new blood, too. It's a great mix.

And even if it wasn't the case, everything I've seen points to intelligent, forward looking professionals who only want the best for their workgroup.

They've got this.

 

[Kev3188]

 

and thank you for reminding us of the tribal warfare that is going on at UA...

No shortage of that at DL, either...

 

[WorldTraveler]

if there is tribal warfare, it is because some have brought their tribal customs with them because there are no defined tribes at DL among the non-contract groups. remember?

Same story at DL. Plenty of people experience being represented. Plenty of new blood, too. It's a great mix.

And even if it wasn't the case, everything I've seen points to intelligent, forward looking professionals who only want the best for their workgroup.

They've got this.

and there are plenty of DL FAs who are able to work with in the DL system to get what they want.

are you still willing to concede that the IAM might be the one who is being played here as DL FAs see increased pay and benefits without the benefit (or $700 or more cost per year) of a union?

and I'm still interested in hearing from you how the AFA lost but a union that represents no major airlines' FAs is going to be of value.