Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WorldTraveler]

nobody doubts DL FAs recognize their careers are serious business but what you and others don't seem to want to admit is that DL's network and corporate strategies are DIRECTLY tied to its relationships with its employees.

you need look no further than DL Tech Ops and the ramp. Tech Ops insources the work they do because DL knows they have a dedicated, flexible workforce that they can count on to deliver for the company and they don't have to worry about hiring extra people to do insourcing work and then have labor problems.

AA and UA both have outstanding maintenance capabilities and could easily reduce their own maintenance costs if they insourced to the degree DL does - but they don't want to hire any more unionized people than they have to.

The same is true of the DL ramp. DL has retained the number of stations it has while AA and UA have cut stations because DL has confidence in DL's people to deliver for the company.

and the same is true of DL FAs. DL is insourcing work because DL pilots and FAs deliver a quality product and work with the company to produce what the company needs.

The DL pilots have proven they will deliver for the company and the company partners with the pilots for the benefit of both. There is no assurance that a unionized FA group will deliver what they have done including in terms of productivity as a non-union group and if they don't, there is no incentive for the company to continue its strategies.

AA and UA have access to the same aircraft on the market that DL has. DL is choosing to grow its mainline operation and shrink its regional operations while AA and UA are doing the opposite.

to not realize there isn't a deep link between DL's employee relations and DL's marketing strategies or that DL FAs can pick and choose what they want from competitors' union contracts and expect DL to just make it all work with DL's network and strategies is a risk that DL employees including FAs should think very long and hard about before connecting with the ballot box.

 

[700UW]

And yet DL outsources all their overhaul.

 

[Kev3188]

 

The same is true of the DL ramp. DL has retained the number of stations it has while AA and UA have cut stations because DL has confidence in DL's people to deliver for the company.

and the same is true of DL FAs. DL is insourcing work because DL pilots and FAs deliver a quality product and work with the company to produce what the company needs.

The DL pilots have proven they will deliver for the company and the company partners with the pilots for the benefit of both. There is no assurance that a unionized FA group will deliver what they have done including in terms of productivity as a non-union group and if they don't, there is no incentive for the company to continue its strategies.

There is zero evidence that either ACS or IFS will stop delivering the high level of performance they do now.

Nor is there any indication that the company would treat either workgroup with anything less than the same respect they afford the pilots & dispatchers.

To imply otherwise is insulting at best to the 1000's of professionals that make it happen day in/day out.

 

[Kev3188]

 

And yet DL outsources all their overhaul.

They usually drop bad news at the same time as a "big" story. Profit sharing day is 2/13. We'll see who (if anyone) gets the axe this year.

 

[WorldTraveler]

And yet DL outsources all their overhaul.

 
wrong.

DL outsources AIRFRAME overhauls.

 

There is zero evidence that either ACS or IFS will stop delivering the high level of performance they do now.

Nor is there any indication that the company would treat either workgroup with anything less than the same respect they afford the pilots & dispatchers.

To imply otherwise is insulting at best to the 1000's of professionals that make it happen day in/day out.

 
and what you don't want to admit is that a union can't mess with workrules and expect to have the same costs and expect the company to have the same level of commitment to providing work to each workgroup if costs go up.

Even your fellow labor supporters here acknowledge that every item in a CBA has a cost; changing workrules adds costs to the company.  It may benefit the workgroup but if costs move up, smoething else is going to go down unless the company is willing to accept higher costs.

and we have REPEATEDLY seen with other airline whether it be the UA rampers or the AA FAs that their companies are increasing pay for one group of employees while outsourcing larger amounts of the operation.

to fail to see that connection at other airlines and to believe that DL is just going to throw money at labor with no increased performance on their part is dangerously naïve.

They usually drop bad news at the same time as a "big" story. Profit sharing day is 2/13. We'll see who (if anyone) gets the axe this year.

really?

Valentine's Day has been 2/14 for quite some time...

Anderson said Profit sharing will not change for 2015.

 

[Kev3188]

 

really?

Really.

Valentine's Day has been 2/14 for quite some time...

It sure has. It also happens to fall on a Saturday this year.

You might want to alert all the stations/hangars/bases that are planning celebrations/check distros for the 13th...

 

[WorldTraveler]

so, will the checks be deposited on 2/14 or 2/13?

seems like you have told us before that you could care less about DL's rah-rah parties.

oh, and don't forget that DL employees will have a profit sharing payout day. employees of the world's largest airline won't because their CEO doesn't believe in compensating employees who don't contribute to the profitability of the company.
since AA just said that its costs will go down by $5 billion this year based on reduced fuel costs, will their CEO not participate in stock based compensation even though AA had nothing to do with the Saudi's decision to keep pumping oil far above world demand?
you can absolutely be assured that AA's execs will profit from AA's increased profitability but AA employees will not. AA stockholders will get $2 billion in stock buybacks and dividends, though.

AA and US unions as part of the merger agreement agreed to give up profit sharing as part of the merger agreement - even though a whole lot of frontline people didn't realize it. shall we say more accurately that a number of AA/US UNION LEADERS agreed to eliminate profit sharing in order to get the merger thru.

is it any surprise that one of the big winners is the APFA and Laura Glading that will add thousands of US FAs to APFA ranks?

in complete contrast, Delta is distributing cash to DL employees AS WELL AS to stockholders.

When contracts come down to arbitration, industry average is heavily diluted by carriers like AA that got rid of profit sharing so that a few unions could fatter.

to pretend that unions and executives are not being enriched at the expense of the employees they are supposed to represent is pure naivety - and in the process they have diluted "industry average".

 

[Kev3188]

I think the phrase you're looking for is, "sorry, I shoulda looked at a calendar (or on DLNet) first."

 

[WorldTraveler]

since there are a number of people who read this forum who don't happen to have access to DLnet, how about you just tell us when the checks will be deposited?

if it is actually 2/13 instead of 2/14, I'll be happy to admit that DL employees get the money a day earlier.

I have been pouring over DOT data since dawg didn't want to do so - and it is clear why.

DL outsources less of its total maintenance spend than either AA/US or UA.

 

[700UW]

Spend vs actual work a huge difference.

 

[Kev3188]

 
 
"In addition to the 5 percent advance on the 2014 profit sharing paid in October, Delta will pay out more than double that advance on Feb. 13 as the airline celebrates profit sharing."
 

 

[Kev3188]

Spend vs actual work a huge difference.

 
 
Not when it gets in the way of wringing out a few more posts, it doesn't...

 

[WorldTraveler]

Not when it gets in the way of wringing out a few more posts, it doesn't...

in the perspective of the thousands of jobs at stake, a few posts from me is insignificant.

I'm sure the thousands of UA employees whose jobs will be outsourced and the FAs at both AA and UA whose unions couldn't influence mgmt. to give flying to mainline employees over their regional carriers are not the least big concerned with a separation of actual work vs. spend since actual work is being replaced by contractors.

 

[700UW]

See once again you post if things you don't know. UA IAM have a no layoff clause so most of them will still have a job.

 

[WorldTraveler]

and the number of IAM jobs at UA will shrink dramatically nonetheless.

great job protections you put in place - but they voted for it, right?