Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WorldTraveler]

I'm still waiting for a list of SPECIFIC number of POSITIONS IN A LOCATION BY FUNCTION that are protected by a CBA.

and it is hardly a victory that UA is bringing back a few jobs while cutting thousands of others.

great to hear that an ex-NW VP is coming up with MORE insourcing work and in the process bringing more work for DL people. so much for the notion that any mgmt associated with NW can only decimate labor.

I get the whole attachment to DFW but it is not a hub any more and will be measured by its needs for maintenance today.
you also forgot to mention PVG which is gaining DL line maintenance.

 

[Kev3188]

 

Dallas does not........for whatever amazingly and assholeish reason.....have a line station. Hopefully that changes. We have been pushing for a line station about as hard as the FAs have been pushing for a DFW AFP.

I'm very surprised there's still nothing there- all the more so given both the flight activity ex-DFW and now DAL (albeit to a much lesser extent).


 

I think TechOps is at ~9,000 or so AMTs out of the ~11,000 that work there. Not as many ASMs as people would think because a good bit of the MRO customers don't really want ASM working on there airplanes.(but at a crap MRO like AAR or TIMCO its completely okay....)

At last glance there were 600ish ASM's on the list? One of my coworkers here just made the jump...
 

Delta over the last two or three years has add line stations in MSY,BNA and MCI. The GE CF6-80C2B8Fs that Tony sent out of house "just cause" came back in. A330 c-checks start this year in MSP (they also have 2 or 3 line of MD88/MD90/717 c-checks). International line stations in GRU and AMS just opened too. The 330 c-checks I think added like 100-110 people. Mostly AMTs, some ASMs and inspectors. I really don't have much of an idea what the staffing is like up in MSP now but I think ATG (so not ATL line but the TOC) is around 8,000 employees or so. They have been adding engineers like crazy too. That was an area Tony (again) wasn't building up as needed.
 
We got a new VP from Northwest not to long ago and he brought in a guy from Rollers to market and get contracts (basically) and a guy from AAR. They have been hiring a good bit since those pieces came in. Talking about adding Airbus landing gear and bringing the CRM56-5A and PW4168 engine overhauls in-house also.

Excellent info, and thank you.
 

Again pick up a book. I can think of plenty examples (US currently does cratering in-house in some stations because they are specifically protected in the CBA)
also in the NW ramp contract JFK/ANC were protected stations..... Kev can give you more details on that.

+35 after that (not counting hubs)... And that's just ONE CBA.

It doesn't take long to come up with many other examples in and out of aviation both.
 

You keep bringing this up, but its one contract. Like you have been told, many times, US (IAM) has the most restrictive contract in the industry. How much catering does Delta do in-house again?

To be fair, it's an easy example to make. An intellectually lazy one, but easy nonetheless.
 
 

Ok. Thx for that Kev.  I was just curious to how many AMT's were still there.

No problem! Sorry I couldn't get more specific system numbers...

 

[700UW]

The IAM PMUS M&R CBA clearly States 675 jobs must be kept between CLT and PIT heavy maintenance and also 50 utility jobs.

 

[700UW]

Nine stations isn't anything to slouch about and it wont be thousands of jobs lost, at the most 2,000 jobs will be moved around the system including bringing the nine stations back inhouse.
 

Below the Wing in DCA, LAS, MCO, PDX, SAN, SEA, TPA and HNL. In addition, United has now agreed to insource Above the Wing work in SAN and PDX and work in both classifications in PIT. The date for all insource work to be brought under IAM contracts is June 1, 2015.
 

 

[WorldTraveler]

The IAM PMUS M&R CBA clearly States 675 jobs must be kept between CLT and PIT heavy maintenance and also 50 utility jobs.

thank you.

now the question is why US was able to grant that in the past but UA hasn't before.


and the contract to which you refer is not the post-merger CBA, right?

and it also covers relatively few positions out of US' total workforce....

and perhaps UA is moving jobs around but you can't seem to acknowledge that is what DL did with MEM and other locations. DL is growing but just like any airline is restructuring where it uses its assets. DL simply hasn't cut dozens of cities at one time in a very long time but other carriers have done so far more recently even with unions.

as for DFW and line maintenance, I have to believe that there are other larger DL stations that are more likely to see na expansion of the number and type of mainline personnel.

If DL starts adding MIA to Latin America, that station is bound to jump to the top of the list.

there aren't a whole lot of stations that have longhaul int'l flights but no DL maintenance.

 

[700UW]

The language has been in the PMUS M&R CBA since 2008 and is still in the CBA that was ratified last year for PMUS M&R. And the PHX hangar has protected work also.

And at PMUS there are protected line maintenance stations.

And the UA CBA does have protected stations and a no layoff clause.

 

[topDawg]

thank you.

now the question is why US was able to grant that in the past but UA hasn't before.


and the contract to which you refer is not the post-merger CBA, right?

and it also covers relatively few positions out of US' total workforce....

and perhaps UA is moving jobs around but you can't seem to acknowledge that is what DL did with MEM and other locations. DL is growing but just like any airline is restructuring where it uses its assets. DL simply hasn't cut dozens of cities at one time in a very long time but other carriers have done so far more recently even with unions.

as for DFW and line maintenance, I have to believe that there are other larger DL stations that are more likely to see na expansion of the number and type of mainline personnel.

If DL starts adding MIA to Latin America, that station is bound to jump to the top of the list.

there aren't a whole lot of stations that have longhaul int'l flights but no DL maintenance.

not going to happen but FLL and MIA already have dept. 250. 
 
no mainline ramp in MIA however...... 
 
and with all the flying into DFW its a joke they don't have a line station. I understand that, to a point, it needs to make sense but Delta has enough mainline into DFW to justify it. 

 

[Kev3188]

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Dawg beat me to it...

 

[swamt]

not going to happen but FLL and MIA already have dept. 250. 
 
no mainline ramp in MIA however...... 
 
and with all the flying into DFW its a joke they don't have a line station. I understand that, to a point, it needs to make sense but Delta has enough mainline into DFW to justify it. 

I would have to agree with you about the no line mechs at DFW.  I honestly thought Delta still had line mechanics at DFW even though they dismantled the rest.  Still very sad what Delta did and it actually shows that Delta don't really care about their employees when compared to the bottom dollar.  I actually hope you guys can get back some line maint at DFW, your right, plenty of flights to support it...

 

[WorldTraveler]

that is priceless considering how many FL employees were displaced by WN. just priceless.

Apparently WN didn't care about the FL employees.

I can assure you that a lower percentage of NW employees were displaced by DL in the merger than by WN.

 

[swamt]

that is priceless considering how many FL employees were displaced by WN. just priceless.

Apparently WN didn't care about the FL employees.

I can assure you that a lower percentage of NW employees were displaced by DL in the merger than by WN.

Again you open your mouth knowing nothing about what you are talking about.  No, I said NO, FL employees were displaced by SWA, get a clue.  Name ONE...

 

[WorldTraveler]

so the Atlanta Journal just made up all of that about FL employees who would have to transfer or lose their job?
speaking of the "grassroots" campaign at DL, word is that more than 100 DL FAs have notified the company and the NMB that they received communications from the Machinists union thanking them for sending in a card when they never did or asking them to renew a card which they say they had never sent in.

after all of the invalid cards are pulled, maybe there will be an election and maybe there will not.

 

[700UW]

Horse hockey and just DL and F&H propaganda.

 

[WorldTraveler]

so the DL FAs who signed documents that were submitted to the NMB are lying?

You say it is just DL propaganda and your union peer says DL FAs are Stepford Wives.... shows what union leadership really thinks about DL employees.

no, it raises serious questions as to the validity of these claims of such a huge surge in cards and how "grassroots" this interest in a union really is.

The only thing "grassroots" is that the Machinists union enlisted supporters to sign cards in the names of DL employees.

 

[700UW]

Lets see what your behavior is:
Threaten FAs for signing cards and calling for an election (which will happen)
 
Insult and attack any pro-union and pro-worker poster
 
Lie and spread misinformation
 
Believe the Propaganda that DL and F&H (your employer for anti-union misinformation) put out.
 
Run with wrong information all the time.
 
And we know you must be getting paid to post here, otherwise you need some serious therapy.
 
You know making slanderous statements on the internet is punishable, took a screen shot for your false accusations.