Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WorldTraveler]

I falsified nothing.

the IAM is the one that has to 'splain how more than 100 KNOWN DL FAs were told that they had sent in a card when they say they didn't.

You've told us that times our different than they were 6 years ago; apparently this time around the Machinists union is willing to cheat to force a vote.

 

[Kev3188]

Fixed!
Our operation will only run well if we have good relationships with our people and not have to deal with a 3rd party who's "ONLY" vested interest is taking money out of our peoples pockets.

Great. I'm al, for it. Be sure to post when DL stops "having to deal with" ESIS, Sedgwick, Ingenix, Xerox, PeopleScout, etc., etc.,

You know, actual for profit 3rd parties...

 

[WorldTraveler]

and be sure and list the companies that the rest of the airline contracts business services to?

you don't really think that the rest of the industry does all of their functions in house, do you?

plz don't admit it if you do.

 

[swamt]

so the Atlanta Journal just made up all of that about FL employees who would have to transfer or lose their job?
speaking of the "grassroots" campaign at DL, word is that more than 100 DL FAs have notified the company and the NMB that they received communications from the Machinists union thanking them for sending in a card when they never did or asking them to renew a card which they say they had never sent in.

after all of the invalid cards are pulled, maybe there will be an election and maybe there will not.

You are refering to the HQ employees.  And your comparo is completely 2 different things.  Delta laid off, cut, replaced workers and displaced.  The only employees that were offered, not forced, to relocate to Dal to work in HQ's.  Anytime companies merge, get bought out, or pick up all the assets the the purchasing co will always consolidate into one HQ's.  Just like Delta did when they bought NW.  That is expected for HQ employees to move or relocate to the new HQ's after merger is complete.  And let me tell you something, SWA also assisted every single move to the Dallas Head Quarters buildings and every single person that did relocate received raises to do so as well as much better bennies, QOL, PS, 401K, retirement, more time off ect... BTW topdawg has also already answered you on this as well... 

 

[WorldTraveler]

everyone knew that the FL HDQ would move. and it was in MCO, not ATL. HDQ are a given that they will be cut in a merger.

DL did not downsize NW's hubs at the time of the merger. WN did.

DL assisted every NW employee that was transferred or who chose to leave the company. Nothing out of the world for either DL or WN in that regard.

but the number of WN jobs in ATL, an operational hub, not the HDQ, was reduced far more on a percentage basis by WN than DL did at NW.

 

[topDawg]

and be sure and list the companies that the rest of the airline contracts business services to?

you don't really think that the rest of the industry does all of their functions in house, do you?

plz don't admit it if you do.

FWIW till the NW merger Delta did its HR work in-house. (sent out in BK, quickly brought back in-house) then after the NW merger went to the s**t show that is peoplescout. 
 

Fixed!

Our operation will only run well if we have good relationships with our people and not have to deal with a 3rd party who's "ONLY" vested interest is taking money out of our peoples pockets.

Two things about this
One this is stupid because Delta has a great relationship with DALPA. You know the third party union that works for the pilots. those guys
Two this is stupid because Delta has a metric s**t ton of vendors it deals with all the time. Just on our side of the how you have DGS, all the contractors, AAR, TIMCO, HAECO, TAESL, PW, RR, GE, Boeing, Airbus, TechOps Mexico, Weber, the list goes on and on and on. 
 

no, the IAM FORGED a significant number of cards and we really have no idea how many FAs really have signed a card.

*rolls eyes* first I bet the IAM didn't do it. Other FAs? possibly. second 100 out of 12,000 is on;y signigicant to people who cant add or subtract.
Again I will say, Math. Its just for stupid people

 

and even more so, we really don't have any idea how many FAs are just using the IAM like they have other unions to get what they want and then not vote for the union.

*rolls eyes*
 

again, why would they? it costs nothing to threaten DL with votes but then back out when what they can get from DL is than what it will cost to have a union.

boy you are all about hopes and dreams today eh. 
 

The Machinists union will have to go looking elsewhere for more revenue.

not smart enough to learn your lesson yet eh? 

 

[Kev3188]

Dawg-- Not for nothing, NW did it's own HR stuff in house as well. Same w/ just about everything now farmed out to the Employee Service Center...

 

[WeAAsles]

Dawg-- Not for nothing, NW did it's own HR stuff in house as well. Same w/ just about everything now farmed out to the Employee Service Center...

At AA our Employee Services was farmed out to the Philippines years ago. Incredibly bad service if you have an issue and need help.

 

[WorldTraveler]

while "math is for stupid people" according to dawg, the amount of outsourcing at airlines is reported to the DOT and available at the MIT airline data project.

Interestingly, aside from maintenance outsourcing, outsourcing of everything else at airlines is remarkable similar

and regardless of who forged the cards, the NMB will be tasked with an enormous task of trying to figure out how many cards really are valid. because only 100 DL FAs have come forward hardly means that is all that are invalid.

 

[Kev3188]

...Or that any are invalid at all...

That said, it would not surprise me to see that some were signed with the express intention of being able to claim a falsehood later on.

It's only going to ramp up from here...

 

[WorldTraveler]

and why shouldn't it ramp up if something wrong took place?

It is mind-boggling that you can believe that DL or FAs would have manipulated the process but it is completely outside of the realm of possibility to you that the IAM could have done the same thing.

again, it is no surprise that the IAM is the one that desperately needs a work group as big as the DL FA group to plug their massive decline in revenue.

if fraud occurred, it is far more likely that it occurred by the IAM or by union supporters (and it could well have been other DL FAs who want a union) than it was by DL or FAs who don't want a union.

 

[Airlinelifer]

WT, Southwind,
 
Tell me in what conceivable way this representation vote affects you.

 

[robbedagain]

it sure as heck doesn't affect WT at all  he is really unhinged if not down right insane seeing his beloved widget airline headed towards union representation

 

[metopower]

You should be asking yourself that question. There are only 3 maybe 4 people on this forum that even work at DL in the departments that are effected.You don't even work here . At least WT did.

 

[robbedagain]

don't need to ask myself anything  I base my opin on what ive seen n hear from friends at the widget   ur in a union.  not to mention my dad is retired from dl