Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WorldTraveler]

then you can tell us what your phobia is with DL's closure of DFW. if you didn't have to leave, then it must have been that you have spent a decade working shifts or work areas that you didn't want to because of the closure of DFW and TPA>

you may tell us what your issue was/is if you want but it is perfectly apparent that you have some sort of issue with DL because of the maintenance cuts that took place at DL.

every thread you post is ingrained with the pain of whatever you went thru and still live with.

the only reason you are lashing out at me more and more is because I am touching on your clear motives.

if you don't want me to mess with whatever you went thru, then either be honest about what took place or keep it to yourself and then be honest enough with yourself and us and admit that your perspective of DL is tainted because of what you went thru and are handling worse than other people.

I don't care if you share your personal history or not... but if you want to keep it to yourself, then demonstrate that you can keep it separate from everything else you post.

so far, you have been unable to do that which is exactly why it is an issue.

 

[700UW]

 

[WorldTraveler]

cute.... and trite

but it is also inaccurate

DL employees have seen the fastest growth in compensation of any US airline

and DL employees are paid far better than their peers at many other airlines

and I have yet to see any evidence that DL employees are willing to trade that pay or salary for more QOL.

if you can show us data that shows DL employees will TRADE and not dreamingly think they will just get another trip to the candy store for free, then feel free to post it.

 

[700UW]

WARNING: No emotions, just the facts. Top of the pay scale for Southwest- $67.43 American- $55.58 Alaska- $52.80 Delta- 51.46 (currently) We are 27% below industry leading and we have some of the highest insurance costs in comparison to our counterparts. It will be different for us to have a negotiated contract and to lead the pack- Vote YES for IAM representation.
 

 

[WorldTraveler]

and again, you refuse to include profit sharing which amounted to 16.5% for DL people and just under 10% for WN.

using those numbers, WN salaries (and I'm basing my numbers solely on your numbers - I haven't attempted to verify them), WN goes above $70 while DL jumps ahead of every other airline except for WN at $59.95. I'm not sure what kind of profit sharing AS paid so their numbers should just as well.

your endless refusal to consider the real market just because it doesn't involve a contracted salary is precisely why you and the IAM are so hated among so many.

chanting "no emotions, just facts" while refusing to incorporate the most basic facts of compensation is the height of Machinists union hypocrisy

I can admit if DL people are really underpaid. they simply are not.

You cannot admit that DL people do as well as they do because DL chooses NOT to fit its employees into a union-made box.

DL employees are NOT underpaid and actually come out well above their peers at just about every other airline except for WN when you factor in profit sharing.

 

[700UW]

What happens when there are no profits?

 

[WorldTraveler]

if that were realistic, then why haven't the employees of WN refused to accept profit sharing?

and if profits disappeared and DL still wanted to keep its employees paid above its peers, it would clearly have to choose to add profit sharing.

given that DL has been unprofitable and its employees didn't lose their pay, it is clear that DL knows employees look at total compensation - as they should.

and so should unions and their propaganda mouthpieces

You can't accept profit sharing because, as with so many other issues, unions are two steps behind airline mgmts which are running far better Airlines than ever and sustained profitability is the NORM in the industry and not the exception.

when 16.5% of EVERY DL employee's salary came from PS in 2014, it isn't an insigificant amount nor is it an amount that should be ignored as a rounding error.

I have no problem with you or the IAM separating out profit sharing ... but to refuse to acknowledge that it exists and what it has paid is the height of dishonesty.

For DL and WN employees, it is a very significant part of their compensation which is simply not matched anywhere else by other Airlines.

and to argue that DL employees are underpaid TODAY by refusing to include profit sharing is just flat out lying.

there is no other way to describe it.

 

[diamondcutter]

if that were realistic, then why haven't the employees of WN refused to accept profit sharing?and if profits disappeared and DL still wanted to keep its employees paid above its peers, it would clearly have to choose to add profit sharing.given that DL has been unprofitable and its employees didn't lose their pay, it is clear that DL knows employees look at total compensation - as they should.and so should unions and their propaganda mouthpiecesYou can't accept profit sharing because, as with so many other issues, unions are two steps behind airline mgmts which are running far better Airlines than ever and sustained profitability is the NORM in the industry and not the exception.when 16.5% of EVERY DL employee's salary came from PS in 2014, it isn't an insigificant amount nor is it an amount that should be ignored as a rounding error.I have no problem with you or the IAM separating out profit sharing ... but to refuse to acknowledge that it exists and what it has paid is the height of dishonesty.For DL and WN employees, it is a very significant part of their compensation which is simply not matched anywhere else by other Airlines.and to argue that DL employees are underpaid TODAY by refusing to include profit sharing is just flat out lying.there is no other way to describe it.

(Edited by moderator) let it go, you don't even know the value of others agreements !!!

 

[700UW]

 

[WorldTraveler]

let it go, you don't even know the value of others agreements !!!

I don't need to know the value of anyone else's agreements.

I can see what they earned in ACTUAL earnings compliments of filings with the DOT and SEC.

You and your union ilk can talk all you want about you disadvantaged DL people are but when DL's financial statements show that it spent $8.1 billion in salaries and related expenses and another $1.085 billion on profit sharing in 2014, DL compensation per employee absolutely beats what AA/US and UA have paid their employees - by a very healthy margin.

AA spent $8,508 million on salary and related expenses for 94,400 mainline and 113,000 total employees

while DL $8,120 million on salary and related expenses for 79,655 total consolidated employees.
IN ADDITION, DL paid $1,085,000,000 in profit sharing for a combined salary and profit sharing expense of over $9.2 BILLION, far larger than what AA and UA recorded for employee expense

UA paid $8,900 million on salary and related expenses for 84,000 employees.

despite the charge here that AA's workforce is the most senior in the industry, DL employees make considerably more.


the simple fact is that DL employees are doing far better and seeing better gains because the company is doing well and has a policy of investing in its employees to motivate them, not to be held hostage by unions that have destroyed jobs like the IAM has done at UA or AMFA has at NW and which have provided only lowest tier wages for AA employees.

whether you like it or not, DL's formula works and any DL employee that messes with that formula might well find that they end up far less wealthy than they were as a non-union employee.

 

[metopower]

someone agrees with me they gave me a + before you erased it

 

[700UW]

 

[Kev3188]

Some really great people in that pic!

 

[metopower]

Kev do you know any of them personally?

 

[700UW]