Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[Kev3188]

 

Who's Tammy and is she a DL FA?

Yes.

 

[WorldTraveler]

is the video public and kindly tell us how she is now "in the crosshairs"

as much as you and labor activists want to make this about being anti-union, DL is enormously protective of its reputation and name and does not allow anyone to speak for it regardless of the reason.

the only reason why this is all going to a head now is because there are employees who think they can all of a sudden break DL's decades long policy and do it under the guise of free of speech for labor.

as has been shown here multiple times, there is no freedom of speech for private sector employees.

 

[metopower]

Yes.

Thanks. Where is the video so I can see it . Thanks

 

[Kev3188]

Meto--No idea which video 700 is referencing, but there are several on the IAM DL website. That's likely a good guess.

WT-- There are still federal laws that protect a person's right to speak up/out about their working conditions.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I am aware that you can speak about your work conditions. but where way too many people have crossed the line is in thinking they can talk about more than just their individual situation.

again, it's a slippery slope and unless you have been well coached by a lawyer who really knows what they are talking about, not someone who is trying to push the line, employees are better off to keep their mouth shut. DL knows exactly where that line is and has a 100% success rate in keeping the message under its control.

and let's be clear that other airline employees have been terminated for making videos.... this is hardly a DL thing.

and for the 3rd time or so, can we see the video.

 

[Kev3188]

 

I am aware that you can speak about your work conditions.

Not according to what you've been writing...

 

but where way too many people have crossed the line is in thinking they can talk about more than just their individual situation.

It's not restrcited to just one person's experience(s).


 

employees are better off to keep their mouth shut.

Yes, much better to keep up appearances. 🙄

 

[metopower]

Meto--No idea which video 700 is referencing, but there are several on the IAM DL website. That's likely a good guess.WT-- There are still federal laws that protect a person's right to speak up/out about their working conditions.

Thanks

 

[WorldTraveler]

Yes, much better to keep up appearances. 🙄

or, rather, keep a job.

any evidence to counter my statement that DL still has a 100% track record in controlling the message?

 

[WorldTraveler]

still not sure who Tammy is since there are a number of uncaptioned people speaking but my favorite is the male FA supposedly from LAX who says that he can 'Never understand how a FA and pilot can make different amounts for the same trip other than that they (pilots) have a contract."

those people who think I need professional help might send the recommendation to this goon who honestly thinks that anyone is going to close the gap between pilot and FA pay with a union.


and if the female is Tammy who keeps talking about "they tell us the world's best employees so we should have the world's best pay and benefits - the whole package" sounds to me like she didn't get born in the south. which might well be 99% of the reason she is "in the crosshairs" as you like to say. something like Rome and acting like a Roman.

some people didn't seem to get when the merger was announced that DL was given full reign by the NW board to eliminate any culture that wasn't compatible with its own - and clearly some still don't get it.

those who have succeeded at DL - regardless of where they came from - have succeeded because they learned to succeed at DL's game playing DL's rules.

anything else gets swatted down pretty quickly.

hate to break it to you but that is what it is.

 

[Kev3188]

or, rather, keep a job.any evidence to counter my statement that DL still has a 100% track record in controlling the message?

Yes. 12000 A cards to start.

 

[WorldTraveler]

12K cards doesn't mean that DL is not controlling the message.

for all we know, DL FAs are simply negotiating thru cards - but you would never admit they could do that because you think they are powerless and have no voice.

it has happened 3X already with the unions sent home empty handed - somewhere close to a dozen times at DL in total

when people have expectations or even make statements that FAs can close the gap with pilot pay thru a union, they are either setting themselves up to be severely disappointed, are highly delusional, or are hoping that if they say anything some FAs will follow and the company will be forced to cough up some money....

no one can reasonably believe that DL doesn't have at least a few FAs that were hired for their good looks and not to be smart... like exists at antoher airline

 

[700UW]

You don't and DL doesn't negotiate with "At Will Employees".

Spread more lies, that's why you are World Fraudster.

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, you aren't smart enough to realize that the world works in ways beyond the 2 by 2 inch square box that you live in.

We have YET to even hear that the 12K cards are even valid.. given that there are multiple FAs that say the card with their name is on didn't come from them, it is no surprise that the process is stuck.

in case you missed the news, the union movement is dying quickly.

The lack of innovation and the unwillingness of labor to provide meaningful solutions is a big part of the reason.
When the IAM publishes videos with FAs that think that the pay gap between FAs and pilots will be closed with a CBA, anyone with even a few cells of their brain operating knows that the union message is a joke.

If DL people want to believe they can do better than the fastest rate of compensation growth in the industry and the highest average salaries among the legacy carriers - beat only by WN - then I can only say that there will be some very disappointed people and the gains labor unions will make at the polls will very quickly translate into a whole bunch of very unhappy people who will find that, once again, unions can't deliver what is promised or even suggested that a union can do.

 

[Kev3188]

1but you would never admit they could do that because you think they are powerless and have no voice

I'll assume this is an attempt to get me to continue talking.

Nevertheless, I've said the exact opposite. Signing of cards is a tangible sign that more and more people realize they do have the power to take control of their career(s).

....no one can reasonably believe that DL doesn't have at least a few FAs that were hired for their good looks and not to be smart... like exists at antoher airline

Wow.

 

[topDawg]

No, it's really not excellent at all.

That is a clear sign that the nail was hit on the head then.
 

It is yet another person on here who has used the public internet to post personal information and then is surprised that people can see thru what you have posted to the real motives and how your personal experience has been tainted.

I'm not sure what this even means. The only person who seems to have an issue with what I have said is you. Everyone else here can grasp what I am saying but you can't.
 

As long as you want to continue to associate me with Leo Mullin, you should expect absolutely no letup in me pushing on your personal experiences which have been publicly revealed here.

Callin it like i see it. You post 7.5 was bad because it effected you but then tell people like me and Kev outsourcing in and outside of BK is alright because its good for the company.
7.5 was "good" for the company so you should be jumping up and down that you got to take it in the shorts like the rest of us, but you aren't. Why? because you got yours so f&$k the rest of us.
That is Leo Mullen way of thinking 101.
So maybe you should change the way you think and talk to people and it'll change my opinion. (or don't. I don't care either way)
 

You are as dumb as 700 and Q if you aren't capable of realizing that attacking me personally only pours gasoline on a fire that you stand no chance of being to put out.

Ah the old I am going to cry about personal attacks while personally attacking 3 people.
very typical for the type of person you are.

 

given that there is no rational basis for believing that a union can do anything better for DL employees than what they have now, maybe you and your union sistern ilk on here have no choice but to go on personal attacks in hopes that you can shut down any rational conversation, including that DL employees are so much more highly compensated than their peers at AA and UA, have seen larger increases in compensation than their peers at any other US airline, and DL is bringing more work back to its own people than any other airline - including WN who still is the largest maintenance outsourcer of the big 4 and has locked the rest of its people in stalled negotiations since WN has made it clear that its people will not see large increases in pay for a real long time (while the legacies catch up) and that WN is pushing for significant increases of its own outsourcing including on the ramp.

ah now Im a union pusher again. Glad it took a few weeks to get back to that.
A union pusher who doesn't want a union. Makes about as much sense as lighting your self on fire just to see if it burns.....
 

funny that so many here hail WN as the champion of airline workers but fail to be able to connect their stalled negotiations with a failed employee model that is leftover from another generation while DL is pushing its employees higher and higher up the compensation charts and running a better airline than WN or any other US airline could hope to run.

Once again the leader is still leading (and I don't think WN is the overall leader FWIW but you want to keep talking only about compensation and WN/5X and FX are the leaders)
 

so, no, dawg, I do care about DL people. Leo Mullin did not. He cared about himself.

"I care about Delta people"
 

What I get from DL won't change one iota regardless of what decisions DL people make.

NEXT SENTENCE Look at me and what I get from Delta.
 

They could well shoot themselves enormously in the foot and find out that further union representation is the fastest way to put the brakes on the good times train that DL people have been on for half of a decade.

NEXT SENTENCE Delta employees are screwing up be using their legal rights. Not only that but even though Delta and DALPA have a good relationship you need to fear push the other work groups and try to scare them
FOR YOUR OWN GAME. You say you don't have a dog in the fight yet you constantly fear push. You can't look at thing objectively and most importantly you get so but hurt about these things that you go off on crazy rants and threaten people like me and Kev WITH OUR JOBS to drive your point.
So having said that.....

I care about DL people to make sure the train not only keeps going but accelerates even as it passes thru industry events that will stop or derail other trains "äirlines".

No you don't. If you do you cant figure out how to show it.
You care about what YOU want to see. You care about being able to jump on the internet and make Delta seem great even if it isn't the truth. All you care about is yourself and that is painfully clear.