Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WorldTraveler]

funny, they seem like pretty intelligent people.

I'm sure the IAM isn't telling them that they are the highest paid legacy airline employees in the US.

I'm sure the IAM also isn't telling them that conflict resolution in the whole collective bargaining process is built on average, not being vastly overcompensated.

too bad those clearly intelligent people don't realize the potential for enormous economic damage they could be doing to their careers with a vote for the Machinists union.

 

[topDawg]

then you can tell us what your phobia is with DL's closure of DFW. if you didn't have to leave, then it must have been that you have spent a decade working shifts or work areas that you didn't want to because of the closure of DFW and TPA>

Jesus
Okay last time.
Because I care about the other employees besides me. It is that simple (I know, you can't figure that out because you got yours)
 

you may tell us what your issue was/is if you want but it is perfectly apparent that you have some sort of issue with DL because of the maintenance cuts that took place at DL.

I don't have any other issue other than I care about all my peers. Kev, Meto, Baba, Southwind everyone. I don't want to see a single one of them have to lose their job. 
More importantly I can not STAND people like you telling them to be happy if Delta does take their job. 
 

every thread you post is ingrained with the pain of whatever you went thru and still live with.

Still cant grasp that reading thing yet eh? Keep working, you'll get there one day tiger.
 

the only reason you are lashing out at me more and more is because I am touching on your clear motives.

I'm "lashing" out at you because personally I think you are in the same class as Leo Mullen. I think that you couldn't give a single rats ass about any of the employees at Delta Air Lines. I think this is all some big sick twisted game to you and that we are simply just a stat for you to pull out to make you feel like a bigger person. (not what i wanted to say exactly but itll do.) 

 

if you don't want me to mess with whatever you went thru, then either be honest about what took place or keep it to yourself and then be honest enough with yourself and us and admit that your perspective of DL is tainted because of what you went thru and are handling worse than other people.

You aren't messing with me. the more you post the more foolish you look. Take a look at all my plus 2,3,4 and 5 and all your drop 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7s
The problem isn't me champ.
 

I don't care if you share your personal history or not... but if you want to keep it to yourself, then demonstrate that you can keep it separate from everything else you post.

Once again, no personal history I'm just not an ass hole.
 

 

[robbedagain]

excellent post there Dawg!

 

[WorldTraveler]

No, it's really not excellent at all.

It is yet another person on here who has used the public internet to post personal information and then is surprised that people can see thru what you have posted to the real motives and how your personal experience has been tainted.

As long as you want to continue to associate me with Leo Mullin, you should expect absolutely no letup in me pushing on your personal experiences which have been publicly revealed here.

You are as dumb as 700 and Q if you aren't capable of realizing that attacking me personally only pours gasoline on a fire that you stand no chance of being to put out.

given that there is no rational basis for believing that a union can do anything better for DL employees than what they have now, maybe you and your union sistern ilk on here have no choice but to go on personal attacks in hopes that you can shut down any rational conversation, including that DL employees are so much more highly compensated than their peers at AA and UA, have seen larger increases in compensation than their peers at any other US airline, and DL is bringing more work back to its own people than any other airline - including WN who still is the largest maintenance outsourcer of the big 4 and has locked the rest of its people in stalled negotiations since WN has made it clear that its people will not see large increases in pay for a real long time (while the legacies catch up) and that WN is pushing for significant increases of its own outsourcing including on the ramp.

funny that so many here hail WN as the champion of airline workers but fail to be able to connect their stalled negotiations with a failed employee model that is leftover from another generation while DL is pushing its employees higher and higher up the compensation charts and running a better airline than WN or any other US airline could hope to run.

so, no, dawg, I do care about DL people. Leo Mullin did not. He cared about himself. What I get from DL won't change one iota regardless of what decisions DL people make. They could well shoot themselves enormously in the foot and find out that further union representation is the fastest way to put the brakes on the good times train that DL people have been on for half of a decade.

I care about DL people to make sure the train not only keeps going but accelerates even as it passes thru industry events that will stop or derail other trains "äirlines".

 

[Kev3188]

 

I don't have any other issue other than I care about all my peers. Kev, Meto, Baba, Southwind everyone. I don't want to see a single one of them have to lose their job. 
More importantly I can not STAND people like you telling them to be happy if Delta does take their job.

FWIW, I don't understand the disconnect either. I am glad to see that that particular mindset at this carrier is getting smaller by the day.

After all, aren't we supposed to all be looking out for each other?

 

[WorldTraveler]

DL hasn't taken the job of a single employee since the merger without them choosing to voluntarily give it up or for violating DL policies and being terminated.

in fact, layoffs in the US airline industry have largely been nonexistent since DL and NW emerged from BK.

it is simply a bold faced lie to say otherwise or that DL people are being targeted or have anything less than what any other carrier has.

Looking out for each other also involves having people who are removed enough from the situation but who are well enough aware of what has made DL great to know that you and others are dangerously messing with the HR formula that has resulted in DL people having the fastest rates of compensation and the highest total salary/benefit/profit sharing expense of any airline in the western hemisphere.

let me repeat for the hard of comprehension. DL spent $1 BILLION more on its employees in 2014 than AA did for 33K less employees and more than $500 million more than UA did for 6000 fewer employees.

further, DL has brought jobs back to DL employees and away from DCI which is the promise that was made on the day the DL/NW merger was announced to employees in 2008. I know exactly what was said because I was there. DL has completely fulfilled its promises as to where growth and cuts would come -with the growth in work and job security and pay coming for DL employees and the cuts coming from regional carriers.

you can rant all you want about how bad you have it and talk about threats to your career but every rational piece of evidence says that you, not DL and not me, is the one that has distorted anything.

 

[700UW]

One name: Kip Hedges. Targeted.

 

[WorldTraveler]

even by what has been public, he was told not to speak to the press using the name of his employer, a policy that has been at place at DL for decades, long before NW, and extends well beyond labor issues to accidents, network/fares/revenue/service related issues and on and on and on.

Tens of thousands of DL employees have understood and lived within that guideline for decades by leaving DL to do the talking and not talking about DL in the press as employees.

and it isn't a DL only policy.

it is precisely why so many here require complete anonymity and why this board grants it. People will not talk if their personal information is compromised.

Kip could have taken on any number of user names on multiple forums and chided the company. He cannot do it using his own name and neither can anyone else speaking to the traditional media. DL has a media policy that still allows a great deal of flexibility but about which DL doesn't allow people to cross the line between their own personal opinions and speaking for or about DL.

solely based on that piece of information, DL has the right to terminate any employee who willfully chooses to act against company regulations, esp. when they were advised of them in writing and told to not do it again.


further, despite all of the cries of martyrdom, I believe even Kip has acknowledged he can't win in a contest against DL, DL is paying his unemployment, and the two will go their separate ways with Kip as yet another example that DL does have the right to do what it did, it isn't about anti-labor, and the same thing will happen to any other employee that decides to speak for DL when DL has specifically told them to leave the talking to them.

 

[700UW]

The state of MN disagrees, and so will the courts.

 

[Kev3188]

 

One name: Kip Hedges. Targeted.

He's not alone, either...

 

[700UW]

 

He's not alone, either...

Tammy is in the crossfire now since her video.

 

[Kev3188]

 

further, despite all of the cries of martyrdom, I believe even Kip has acknowledged he can't win in a contest against DL, DL is paying his unemployment, and the two will go their separate ways...

That is inaccurate. His termination case will be going to court.

 

[Kev3188]

 

Tammy is in the crossfire now since her video.

Not awesome. 🙁

It's a long list..

 

[metopower]

Not awesome. 🙁It's a long list..[/quote

To us outsiders...Who's Tammy and is she a DL FA? What video did she do?

 

[WorldTraveler]

That is inaccurate. His termination case will be going to court.

wonderful.

I have repeatedly said that if a DL employee thinks there is a case against DL, they should go to court.

I doubt if he will win. In fact I can guarantee you that there will be declaration of guilt by a judge regarding DL's actions.

if it comes anywhere close to that, Kip will settle out of court and nary a word will be said about his employment with DL again.

or DL will have no problem finding whatever it takes to prove him wrong. the fact that he violated DL's order to cease talking for DL in public is a factor that the State of MN didn't have to consider and they didn't have the authority to require DL to present its case to them.

DL is paying the unemployment claim. MN has no authority to challenge DL unless they refuse to pay the unemployment claim.

if that sounds mean and cold, welcome to life in corporate America.

If you don't like it, may I suggest self-employment.