Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[robbedagain]

thanks FWAA   for clearing it up.   I knew she had (I believe) flew on FEDEX across country the nite before.   and the capt from FLA     Thanks again for clearing it up

 

[Kev3188]

Kev  for us FSA  we are allowed only 1 back to back doubles a week...

That's the max for us as well. Same at NW too, FWIW...

 

[WorldTraveler]

whoa there robbed.

not so fast on trying to change the subject.

If rampers can work as many hours as they can, and they are critical to safety, then why aren't there laws to protect the public and airline employees from working as much as you said they can do?

are rampers any less critical to safety?

why aren't you subjected to the same federal regulations regarding work times that mechanics are subjected to?

you can huddle with Kev and your Machinists union mentor and come up with an answer.

but you three aren't skating past it. unless you want to argue that there is indeed a difference between pilots and FAs and the requirements of one group should not be forced upon or used as the standard for the other.

 

[robbedagain]

while I understand that  for rest reasons  what I don't understand is why we can have virtually unlimited OT    How is it for you folks and how was it at NW

 

[WorldTraveler]

I don't understand it either, esp. in light of the charges of how FAs should be subjected to pilot style rest limitations.

plz explain the discrepancy.

many thx

 

[topDawg]

It always causes me pain as I am an advocate of Unions but it really pisses me off when they start misrepresenting 'pie in the sky' promises that they know is nearly impossible to negotiate.
 
Yes, it is not a 'promise' but it is a gross misrepresentation.
IBT did it on their run for UA M&R and I told those ID-10T's that it was false and misleading.
Get a signature on the flyer and then it may be plausible.
Any knucklehead can make and distribute a bunch of crap.
The 'membership' has to filter this out.
 
Good Luck to the Guys N'Gals at Delta.
B) xUT

 
no kidding. If I were Delta's FAs I would not want anything to do with the IAMPF. Try to get the pilots 401K match. Much better that way. 
 
 

maybe the real question, Kev, is why has DL equipped more of its fleet with away from passenger cabin flat bed crew rest facilities than any other airline?

apparently DL recognizes the contributions DL FAs make and want them rested in order to deliver safe and professional service.

why, Kevin, is DL leading the industry with FA crew rest seats?

btw, there are a lot of my days that like the IAM's retirement brochure - and yet I did it without the IAM.

Slow down killer. They got rest seats for two reason. 
1) Delta kissing their asses
2) and more importantly Delta believes it was better to put in the the removable bunks because they have a better chance to fill up the cabin with paying PAX that way. I think the FAs get 2-4 rest seats....that could be a lot of revenue left on the table. (at least that is what management told us) 
 

I'm sure that you have fatigue rules as far as how many hours you can work. But remember 117 is a political solution to a problem that did not effect MY type of flying. That is why there was relief in this case. Exception not the rule for sure.

I can't remember if we have an FAR or its just Delta rules. 
 

Because they addressed a problem that only exist at commuter or small airlines. Neither pilots on that flight (colgan) had any rest issues. They had discussed rest issues during the flight. Neither pilot had low time issues. Both were addressed by rule making after that accident.The issue that was not addressed was their incompetence. If you want some kind of 117 work rules I have to ask ..What would they be? How do you want to limit your work day? 4hr shifts? Ten people per crew? 25 pd bag limit? Age 60 retirement?

Your pay and your retirement? 
Hell yes I do. 
 
but its age 65 for you guys now 
 

I'm not saying that.what I'm saying is 117 was not put forward by nor were any major airline rank and file pilot consulted. If it had the rules would look completely different.if safety is the issue or fatigue is the issue then address them .What 117 did was give the flying public a feel good answer.

117 was the typical knee jerk from the FAA. 
They had an issue, that was probably at the fault of the FAA, but instead of doing it right they rushed it out.

 

[topDawg]

I don't understand it either, esp. in light of the charges of how FAs should be subjected to pilot style rest limitations.

plz explain the discrepancy.

many thx

why are you talking like a teenager? 
Please
Thanks. 

 

[700UW]

Mechanics have duty time limitations per a FAR.

 

[robbedagain]

who said I was changing the subject Mr King of Changing subject???   You forget its the Rampers who are out in all elements of the weather   While granted the flight crews have a far more responsible job  its the Rampers who have one of the most dangerous jobs given we are around aircraft as are the mechanics      You really need to seek Professional help bec you truly need it   I cant even tell you how many ground incidents are caused by agents who are tired   but Im sure there have been a few   yes?

 

[WorldTraveler]

so why don't rampers have them?

and, dawg, tell us how much those crew rest facilities weigh on a 767, the most common type in DL's fleet?

is the 763/764 module the same?

do ya really think DL hauls 1000 pounds of extra weight around in the belly of the aircraft because they kiss the FAs asses?

the freeing up seats for paying passengers routine makes sense - but don't you think DL could do that without a module that takes up, what, the space of a pallet?

and you mean unions at other airlines don't suck up to mgmt. at their airlines so their FAs don't get them?

I'd say - you go, DL FAs, if DL's idea of kissing grits is to throw an over/undercabin crew rest module on every longhaul widebody aircraft in DL's fleet.

 

[Kev3188]

while I understand that  for rest reasons  what I don't understand is why we can have virtually unlimited OT    How is it for you folks and how was it at NW

We had OT equalization. The main purpose was to make sure any was distributed equally, but it was also used as an extra layer of safety...
 
 

no kidding. If I were Delta's FAs I would not want anything to do with the IAMPF. Try to get the pilots 401K match. Much better that way.

Not for nothing, that's what I'll be pushing for. Much more worker empowerment with a larger match...

 

[Kev3188]

why are you talking like a teenager? 
Please
Thanks.

Srsly.

Lulz.

 

[robbedagain]

thanks Kev  we also have that equalization   have had that for years

 

[topDawg]

so why don't rampers have them?

Ask the FAA.......
 

and, dawg, tell us how much those crew rest facilities weigh on a 767, the most common type in DL's fleet?

I haven't got the smallest idea. 
 

is the 763/764 module the same?

far as I know yes. 
Might be the same on the 330. Not sure. 
 

do ya really think DL hauls 1000 pounds of extra weight around in the belly of the aircraft because they kiss the FAs asses?

yes. 
but also the other reason i said. 
 

the freeing up seats for paying passengers routine makes sense - but don't you think DL could do that without a module that takes up, what, the space of a pallet?

clearly the answer to that question is no.....
 

and you mean unions at other airlines don't suck up to mgmt. at their airlines so their FAs don't get them?

No what I mean is AA or whatever airline doesn't believe the juice is worth the squeeze. 
Why does AA have main deck crew bunks on the 777 fleet? 
Idk they had a bean counter figure out that was the best option for them. 

 

I'd say - you go, DL FAs, if DL's idea of kissing grits is to throw an over/undercabin crew rest module on every longhaul widebody aircraft in DL's fleet.

Okay.....  

 

[diamondcutter]

no, there is nothing wrong about what I said.crew rest facilities is absolutely a key part of the fatigue issue.... any longhaul pilot of FA can absolutely verify that.

Wrong , I was talking about what a trip is worth not crew rest! Fa's and pilots should be credited with the same hours per trip (not pay) , and yes that was a me too clause . Again wrong