Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[metopower]

meto   is 15 hr the total max that you pilots are allowed to fly in 1 single day?  also do the FAs have a time limit similar to you pilots?
 
kev  I agree its interesting that it had to be "negotiated"  esp since it appears to be FAA mandate

Jnb-atl is sometimes 17:00 plus.

 

[Kev3188]

DL FA's can fly over 200 hrs a month if they wish. Because they don't have Union restrictions. Pilots are mandated by the FAA. Talk to them about it.This example is rare.

I'm well aware they don't have a union...

They're safety professionals too. I'd still like to hear from someone why fatigue rules shouldn't apply to them.

 

[WorldTraveler]

maybe the real question, Kev, is why has DL equipped more of its fleet with away from passenger cabin flat bed crew rest facilities than any other airline?

apparently DL recognizes the contributions DL FAs make and want them rested in order to deliver safe and professional service.

why, Kevin, is DL leading the industry with FA crew rest seats?

btw, there are a lot of my days that like the IAM's retirement brochure - and yet I did it without the IAM.

 

[southwind]

So now that 12000 cards (not official since the IAM is not transparent) have been collected,
when's the vote?

 

[700UW]

Ask the NMB.

 

[metopower]

I'm well aware they don't have a union...
They're safety professionals too. I'd still like to hear from someone why fatigue rules shouldn't apply to them.

It's a good question. But don't compare the jobs to each other just because they are in the same work space. Like I wouldn't compare my rest requirements to your job either.

 

[WorldTraveler]

+777

and even if two workgroups are in the same space (and there is a door between the cockpit and the cabin for a reason), it doesn't mean they do the same function.

no one would argue that ACS agents who work above and below wing have the same function, safety training, or requirements.

last I checked gate agents don't have to wear hearing protection - although I'm sure some wish they could. wink wink.

 

[xUT]

And this is where the IAM drive dies..... 
4,000 a month? 
 
Yeah okay. Right after Delta gives me 4,000 a month retirement 

 
It always causes me pain as I am an advocate of Unions but it really pisses me off when they start misrepresenting 'pie in the sky' promises that they know is nearly impossible to negotiate.
 
Yes, it is not a 'promise' but it is a gross misrepresentation.
IBT did it on their run for UA M&R and I told those ID-10T's that it was false and misleading.
Get a signature on the flyer and then it may be plausible.
Any knucklehead can make and distribute a bunch of crap.
The 'membership' has to filter this out.
 
Good Luck to the Guys N'Gals at Delta.
B) xUT

 

[diamondcutter]

because no FAs crashed a plane into BUF in a snowstorm--and no there is no ME TOO clauses for FAs to 117 rules.again, when unionistas make claims that they can do something about issues like this, they are setting up their membership for massive delusion based on lying that a union can change that.pilots and FAs serve different functions in the airline industry. FAs absolutely have safety related powers. They do not have the same federally mandated work rules.all the Machinists union is trying to do with an argument like this is another attempt at class warfare - whether it be the pilots or mgmt., there is no admission that FAs are compensated and given work rules comparable to other FAs.suggesting or promising anything is simply a lie.

Wrong world fraudsters, LUS had the same rest and the same rules as the pilots. Thus negotiated !!

 

[Kev3188]

 

It's a good question. But don't compare the jobs to each other just because they are in the same work space. Like I wouldn't compare my rest requirements to your job either.

All 3 jobs (and other groups) are safety sensitive, and fatigue for any of them increases the risks of an incident it's that simple.

So again; why shouldn't fatigue rules (along the lines of 117) apply to other work groups? Further, if said regulations were to result in possible financial harm, why shouldn't a group be able to negotiate relief like DALPA has done for it's members?

 

[WorldTraveler]

you forgot to answer the question about why DL has the best crew rest facilities for FAs - which is NOT federally regulated.

DL meets but I do not think exceeds crew rest requirements for pilots. Meto can correct me if I am wrong.

DL EXCEEDS requirements for the INDUSTRY for FA crew rest - which is not federal regulated, right?


and meto's point is still valid that FAs do not have GOVERNMENT caps on how much they can work - although some UNIONS have chosen to limit what FAs can work - so there can be more FAs on the property and thus more union dues, also right?

so you want the union to implement rules that restrict the ability of FAs to work because you want it to be "like pilots" but you don't have any evidence it is really safety related, do you?

it is just a "let's call it safety but it's really about increasing the number of union dues policy."

sure I'm right.

 

[diamondcutter]

you forgot to answer the question about why DL has the best crew rest facilities for FAs - which is NOT federally regulated.DL meets but I do not think exceeds crew rest requirements for pilots. Meto can correct me if I am wrong.DL EXCEEDS requirements for the INDUSTRY for FA crew rest - which is not federal regulated, right?and meto's point is still valid that FAs do not have GOVERNMENT caps on how much they can work - although some UNIONS have chosen to limit what FAs can work - so there can be more FAs on the property and thus more union dues, also right?so you want the union to implement rules that restrict the ability of FAs to work because you want it to be "like pilots" but you don't have any evidence it is really safety related, do you?it is just a "let's call it safety but it's really about increasing the number of union dues policy."sure I'm right.

Wrong again with the same rules you can still fly as much as you want. Again, you have no idea of what you are talking about. Nice way to deflect with the crew rest, no one was talking about !!! Again you are wrong , you don't know other carriers contracts !!

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, there is nothing wrong about what I said.

crew rest facilities is absolutely a key part of the fatigue issue.... any longhaul pilot of FA can absolutely verify that.

 

[Kev3188]

 

All 3 jobs (and other groups) are safety sensitive, and fatigue for any of them increases the risks of an incident it's that simple.

So again; why shouldn't fatigue rules (along the lines of 117) apply to other work groups? Further, if said regulations were to result in possible financial harm, why shouldn't a group be able to negotiate relief like DALPA has done for it's members?

Anyone?

 

[metopower]

All 3 jobs (and other groups) are safety sensitive, and fatigue for any of them increases the risks of an incident it's that simple.So again; why shouldn't fatigue rules (along the lines of 117) apply to other work groups? Further, if said regulations were to result in possible financial harm, why shouldn't a group be able to negotiate relief like DALPA has done for it's members?

I'm sure that you have fatigue rules as far as how many hours you can work. But remember 117 is a political solution to a problem that did not effect MY type of flying. That is why there was relief in this case. Exception not the rule for sure.