Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[737823]

Waaayyyyy too good for them.

So you're like the UAW workers that hold rallies telling everyone how they build automobiles better than anyone else, are more productive and have fewer defects yet their plant is still closing and moving to Ontario or Mexico.

Josh

 

[737823]

Why not? Do strong minded women scare you?
 
P.S. Name dropping might score you points in other circles; here it just speaks of trying too hard...

Nope, I'd like to meet them some day on a DL flight. I love chatting with stewards, activists, and other union/labor officials.

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

So you're like the UAW workers that hold rallies telling everyone how they build automobiles better than anyone else, are more productive and have fewer defects yet their plant is still closing and moving to Ontario or Mexico.
Josh

No just not interested in being an economic slave for some POS company that wants to tell me how great their corporate culture is and that I have some crapola "personal relationship" when all I really have are wages that I can't even pay a light bill with.

The underbelly of Delta Airlines is "Ready Reserve" slave wages. Well they are based in Atlanta so I guess it makes sense right.

 

[737823]

WeAA-
Yes people harp on DL for having ready reserve but DL has 43 ramp stations-they have more people in more places than another US legacy carrier. Even if a station is staffed with 50% RRs (either by hours worked or headcount) those RRs are allowing the FT benefiting employees to stay. Would you rather no RR and have everyone making Airserv, DGS, Eulen America or Swissport wages?

Also, are you aware US IAM has ready reserve language? Hawaiian IAM has part-time reserve (unlimited) which is IDENTICAL to DL. UA will only have 7 stations in four years and they allow both unlimited part-time, split shifts and temporary employees. What about all the high cost places like EWR, SAN, SEA, SNA you sold out that are now staffed with vendors making $9/hr?

Josh

 

[737823]

Btw I have a lot of fun with the UAW. Nothing better than showing up at their hall with an Audi or Infiniti and telling them I'm a student researching labor relations at GM (which at one time was true).

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

WeAA-
Yes people harp on DL for having ready reserve but DL has 43 ramp stations-they have more people in more places than another US legacy carrier. Even if a station is staffed with 50% RRs (either by hours worked or headcount) those RRs are allowing the FT benefiting employees to stay. Would you rather no RR and have everyone making Airserv, DGS, Eulen America or Swissport wages?
Also, are you aware US IAM has ready reserve language? Hawaiian IAM has part-time reserve (unlimited) which is IDENTICAL to DL. UA will only have 7 stations in four years and they allow both unlimited part-time, split shifts and temporary employees. What about all the high cost places like EWR, SAN, SEA, SNA you sold out that are now staffed with vendors making $9/hr?
Josh

Sorry bro but I don't want to benefit from drinking the sweat off someone else's back. So I guess you have your answer?

Guess that kind of chit is easy for you to live with huh?

 

[robbedagain]

Take thos for what its worth... rumors flying high at least in my station that b4 the end of this yr we are to get some furloughed AA folks back and hire at least 10 peeps. Also Envoy sent their notice out to their bwi based folks well we may end up working their metal sooner than dec if the rumor of them fleeing envoy is true

 

[700UW]

Hey dooshie

There are no ready reserves at US and the language was removed from the current CBA.

Once again your spreading misinformation.

 

[737823]

Hey dooshie
There are no ready reserves at US and the language was removed from the current CBA.
Once again your spreading misinformation.

There was in the 2008 agreement. And I knew they removed the language, doesn't change the fact that the IAM agreed to it at USAIR.

Josh

 

[700UW]

Once again you said there are RRs at US and there are not.

 

[737823]

How many at Hawaiian?

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

WeAA-
Yes people harp on DL for having ready reserve but DL has 43 ramp stations-they have more people in more places than another US legacy carrier. Even if a station is staffed with 50% RRs (either by hours worked or headcount) those RRs are allowing the FT benefiting employees to stay. Would you rather no RR and have everyone making Airserv, DGS, Eulen America or Swissport wages?

Also, are you aware US IAM has ready reserve language? Hawaiian IAM has part-time reserve (unlimited) which is IDENTICAL to DL. UA will only have 7 stations in four years and they allow both unlimited part-time, split shifts and temporary employees. What about all the high cost places like EWR, SAN, SEA, SNA you sold out that are now staffed with vendors making $9/hr?

Josh

I wanted to come back to this little bit of crapola now that I'm home. What do I care how many ramps are employed by Delta and not some type of ground handling operation? If it's as you say that 50% of them are making $14.00 per hour with no benefits they might as well work for Airserv, DGS, Eulen America or Swissport. SAME DIFFERENCE doesn't matter who pays them.

So let's redo your math with that thought in mind. That brings it down to what I would equate as Delta actually having 21 and one half the stations that are staffed with MAINLINE wages in comparison to AA and US as a combined entity. Your very good at this Josh. How many stations does the new AA combo have?

Delta Airlines has their own inhouse outsource company is the way I look at it. Same chit. 

 

[737823]

I wanted to come back to this little bit of crapola now that I'm home. What do I care how many ramps are employed by Delta and not some type of ground handling operation? If it's as you say that 50% of them are making $14.00 per hour with no benefits they might as well work for Airserv, DGS, Eulen America or Swissport. SAME DIFFERENCE doesn't matter who pays them.
So let's redo your math with that thought in mind. That brings it down to what I would equate as Delta actually having 21 and one half the stations that are staffed with MAINLINE wages in comparison to AA and US as a combined entity. Your very good at this Josh. How many stations does the new AA combo have?
Delta Airlines has their own inhouse outsource company is the way I look at it. Same chit.

WeAA:
DL ready reserves do not make $14, they start at around $10/hour and there is one raise given after one year of service. Of course there are additional raises however they are from the company changing the rates, not moving up the payscale as there are only two steps.

My point is the DL model protects full time employment because if a vendor took over there would be zero full timers where as ready reserve can allow the company to maintain mainline employees in a station that otherwise would be uneconomical. Isn't a station with some mainline better than no mainline?

As for AA/US staffing, as we both know AA TWU is 17 stations. The following list was posted in February 2013, not sure if it has changed for USAIR.

http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/55064-feb-mar-2013-iam-fleet-service-discussions/page-12#entry978976

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

WeAA:
DL ready reserves do not make $14, they start at around $10/hour and there is one raise given after one year of service. Of course there are additional raises however they are from the company changing the rates, not moving up the payscale as there are only two steps.

Alright then for the point of the exercise since you say you think it may be 50% I'll say the average is 21 and a half stations where people are only earning $12.00 per hour with no benefits. Leaving 21 and a half stations at the mainline UNION rate.


My point is the DL model protects full time employment because if a vendor took over there would be zero full timers where as ready reserve can allow the company to maintain mainline employees in a station that otherwise would be uneconomical. Isn't a station with some mainline better than no mainline?

No it's preferable that the work is performed by people making a decent wage. This only benefits the profits of Delta Airlines, not the lives of those people who work for those SLAVE rates. On top of cutting off 50% to the "Ready Reserve" status I think Kev said that there were another 20% that are PT with benefits? Leaving only 30% of the people that Delta employs making that fantastic published rate.

As for AA/US staffing, as we both know AA TWU is 17 stations. The following list was posted in February 2013, not sure if it has changed for USAIR.

http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/55064-feb-mar-2013-iam-fleet-service-discussions/page-12#entry978976

Thank you for the info. So taking out the redundant stations that leaves us with 40 stations for the combination. (Delta is also a combination of two airlines) That is 40 stations that have NO RR system that ALL are on the same pay scale chart that establishes a top out of $23.00 per hour for Fleet and EQUAL benefits. You and your buddy may see it a little differently then I do but what I see is 40 stations VS 21 and a half.

Insourced, Outsourced, same chit.

P.S. with the industry averaging next year even if we don't have a new JCBA we will be over $24.50 per hour with far more people at the top rate than Delta can get anywhere close to.

 

 

[WeAAsles]

That's also why I truly believe that this formula comparing Delta baggage handlers to AA baggage handlers is more than likely fairly accurate.

$23,078 per year for Delta
$42,936 per year for AA

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Baggage_Handler_%28Aviation%2fAirline%29/Hourly_Rate