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Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

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WeAAsles said:
You and I share the same crystal ball when it comes to future airline profits, but there is always fog in that ball.
And Delta does NOT have any contractual obligations to share their fortunes with their employees outside of their pilots who have an agreement "In Writing"
Wrong the dispatchers have a union.

And even without language in writing they have more stations than any other legacy carrier.

Explain how the IAM at Alaska Air is less than 600 employees in the state of Alaska? Alaska prevailed contracting out SEA ramp in 2005.

Josh
 
737823 said:
Wrong the dispatchers have a union.

And even without language in writing they have more stations than any other legacy carrier.

Explain how the IAM at Alaska Air is less than 600 employees in the state of Alaska? Alaska prevailed contracting out SEA ramp in 2005.

Josh
Thank you for the clarity. Since the discussion keeps veering off into the PS carrot on a stick. I assume then that those dispatchers also have a concrete formula "In Writing" that specifies the percentage payout and that cannot be modified except through collective bargaining with their representative? (Union)

Do other non organized employees have this same guarantee and if the company reneges on that agreement can those workers seek legal remedy?
 
DL can and should be able to unilaterally impose terms of employment as they see fit. 700 keeps harping on PS being cut however it was the result of employee feedback for less variable compensation and increases in base pay. See DL engages and listens to their employees and acts on their feedback.

Still explain the value of having a union of they sign away work like the IAM has done at AS and UA.

Josh
 
You and I share the same crystal ball when it comes to future airline profits, but there is always fog in that ball.

And Delta does NOT have any contractual obligations to share their fortunes with their employees outside of their pilots who have an agreement "In Writing"
they never have and yet Laura Glading has said she has spent her entire career chasing DL salaries.

apparently having it in writing isn't everything you make it out to be.

DL employees will still make more.

and we can check on how foggy your predictions turn out to be but I am certain that DL, like WN, has figured out how to make its business profitable on a long-term basis regardless of the economic challenges that are thrown at the industry.
 
What is there to explain? I'm not an AA employee, remember I work for AS COPS at LAX and and am a proud dues objector.

Josh
 
sure hope that when u get royally f..ked by the company in which you wanna grieve it  i hope the union does not help u since u hate the unions
 
robbedagain said:
sure hope that when u get royally f..ked by the company in which you wanna grieve it  i hope the union does not help u since u hate the unions
Don't you know Alaska treats all their employees well, and afterall as outlined in preamble to the IAM agreement we enjoy a high standard of living ($11.69/hr) and job security eventhough the vast majority of our stations are vendored out. I only wish I could work in the Board Room so the riffraff wouldn't bother me but the IAM allows non covered people to do that work.

Josh
 
WeAAsles said:
Single out and be specific to "Baggage Handlers" and the conversation can continue.

"Baggage Handlers" IE: Fleet Service Clerks, Ground Agents, or the horrible public term Ramp Rats.

Single, plural and separate.
Yep, being politically correct and all, can't stand when someone says grease monkey.
Lose sleep over it!
 
WorldTraveler said:
companies that are properly staffed don't give out the equivalent of 6 months paid leaves of absence which is EXACTLY what AA is doing with their 6 month self-chosen vacation for FAs.

the simple reason they are still hiring is that they want lower wage rates long-term by hiring new blood, aren't convinced that they can't operate the airline in 6 months with the same number of FAs that they have now, and think it is cheaper to pay 6 months worth of free bennies rather than shell out the $100K that UA is paying for early retirees - and if they only have to do it one time, they are probably right.

and dawg, AA is overstaffed because they have yet to realize they cannot fly the same amount of capacity on a year round basis and haven't figured out how to staff accordingly. Every other airline changes their capacity with the market far more than AA has done. I have shown that before. US pulled down its TATL scheduled far more than any other US carrier. AA just hasn't figured out how to do it and staff accordingly.

and they will carry the weight of the unneeded staffing on their budget until they figure it out.

the reason for the size of DL employees' profit sharing is because DL, like WN, is no longer willing to be profitable for a few months a year and they lose boatloads of money the rest of the year - which is what the legacy carriers have done for quite some time.

as for DL's use of ready reserve staffing, DOT data shows that DL has the highest average salary for its airport employee group (DOT data does not break down above and below wing or cargo) AND also has the highest total compensation for the group. DL's formula delivers more money to more people than any other airline's strategy.

the notion that the RR program destroys jobs and reduces salaries is simply not supported by real data.
You didn't answer my question, If AA is overstaffed then your saying Delta, who does more seasonal pulls downs, is also overstaffed then yes? 
 
robbedagain said:
Thanks for the clarification WeAA! 🙂
WT ur saying dl has more stations staffed bw but ur most likely including dgs which is a cheap arse company n not necessarily a dl ml company
DL might have more stations now. Its a crap shoot to know what the JCBA will bring. 
 
WorldTraveler said:
DL employees will still make more.
DL FA's make more. 
 
We don't know what anyone else will do because they don't have JCBAs yet. 
 
 
and again, pay isn't everything. If AA were to pay its MX employees 1-2 an hour less but have the same amount or less of outsourcing your an idiot if you think Delta has a better deal. 
 
the amount of seasonal pulldowns has nothing to do with being overstaffed or not.

AA is overstaffed as a result of a merger which is allowing them to offer leaves of absences to FAs.

they are offering these LOAs (whether they call them that or not) because they are pulling down the schedules.

DL does the same thing every year and thus is prepared to reduce its staffing - so no DL is NOT overstaffed.

the discussion is about AA FAs who did just sign a JCBA

All AA has to do for its MX Personnel is offer the deal you propose. Let me know when they do.
 
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I thought Apple was currently the greatest company the WORLD has ever seen or known. Why didn't my mummy tell me it was Delta Airlines when I was but a wee laddie?
 
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