Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[Kev3188]

Like having a say in your career...

Agency is a wonderful thing.

P.S. You're getting better, but that wind up attempt was still a bit obvious. Keep at it!

 

[737823]

You got to vote but it was largely symbolic. The company would have gotten what they wanted through abrogation. It just may seem more palatable to you knowing your peers voted on it. I know your NWA CBA is very dear to you and still have copies but the IAM got taken to the cleaners.

Josh

 

[700UW]

Kevin explain what NW wanted and what NW got.

 

[WorldTraveler]

don't bother.

we all know the negotiation process really means going in that you will end up with 5 but asking for 10 so the other side feels good when they end up with less than the 2 that they thought they were going to get

it's negotiating.

the results relative to their peers are what speaks louder.

oh and this whole process takes months if not years on average in the airline industry.

DL employees had an additional five percent of their earnings in profit sharing in their check in less than a couple weeks.

 

[Kev3188]

You got to vote but it was largely symbolic. The company would have gotten what they wanted through abrogation. It just may seem more palatable to you knowing your peers voted on it. I know your NWA CBA is very dear to you and still have copies but the IAM got taken to the cleaners.

Josh

Abrogation is obviously a possibility anytime you're in the 1113 wringer, but in this case, Judge Groepper actively tried to avoid it at all costs (no pun intended).

That's all well & good, but had we been non-contract, we would've had no recourse for anything.
 
 

Kevin explain what NW wanted and what NW got.

He already knows, amigo.
 
 

oh and this whole process takes months if not years on average in the airline industry.

Not at DL, it doesn't.

 

[737823]

It doesn't take months at DL as they can unilaterally impose whatever terms of employment they want-subject to applicable laws and regulations-at anytime (which is how it should be).

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

Even for those that enjoy representation haven't had to wait that long for agreements to come to be...

 

[WorldTraveler]

It doesn't take months at DL as they can unilaterally impose whatever terms of employment they want-subject to applicable laws and regulations-at anytime (which is how it should be).

Josh

including pay raises that frustrate Laura Glading as she continues to spend her career chasing DL pay raises and early profit sharing distributions - of which the first part is not even half.

ask WN employees right now how long they have been waiting for new contracts.

 

[Kev3188]

Better yet, since this is the DL thread, how 'bout asking the pilots how long each of the last few agreements has taken to be reached?

 

[737823]

Even for those that enjoy representation haven't had to wait that long for agreements to come to be...

How are negotiations at AS, UA, and WN going? Let's see the new IAM NK ramp agreement.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

How're they going at DL?

Oh, wait...

 

[WorldTraveler]

Better yet, since this is the DL thread, how 'bout asking the pilots how long each of the last few agreements has taken to be reached?

valid point, sir.

DL pilots, like their peers in other depts. receive above average compensation and the same profit sharing.

so, other the sense of control, do you suppose DL pilots are unanimously convinced that they have the best deal available including those QOL issues which matter so much to you?

 

[737823]

How're they going at DL?Oh, wait...

Other than the two represented workgroups there are no negotiations. Terms of employment are unilaterally imposed (as they should be). You really don't get it do you?

Josh

 

[metopower]

Kev ..it has to do with management not the union. You can see the difference between the airlines. Like I've tried to point out over and over ... It is just a different way of doing thing at DL. It is just different .

 

[Kev3188]

valid point, sir.

DL pilots, like their peers in other depts. receive above average compensation and the same profit sharing.

so, other the sense of control, do you suppose DL pilots are unanimously convinced that they have the best deal available including those QOL issues which matter so much to you?

 
You tell us.

I'm fairly certain that they're "convinced" of the value of representation (as are the DX'ers).
 

Other than the two represented workgroups there are no negotiations. Terms of employment are unilaterally imposed (as they should be). You really don't get it do you?

Josh

Lol. You're kidding, right?
 
 

Kev ..it has to do with management not the union.

...Which was my earlier point. The idea that any agreement at DL would take months- if not years- to come to be is both false, and also implies that DL would act differently than they currently do.