Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[robbedagain]

uhh no skippy   I speak with a large nbr of DL folks and Im simply stating what they have been saying here skippy.   Its fun to see how youre terrified of those facts

 

[WeAAsles]

shoot the messenger since you can't win the argument with him.I'm not paid. My only compensation is in knowing how much I ruffle your feathers.I do get a whole lot of people's dander up.the best part is that there are people on here with whom I debate but who are not ruffled because they are a lot more secure in their positions than obviously you are.they don't cry for me to be removed - which won't happen anyway.they learn how to engage in a spirited but respectful discussion - and I treat them with the respect that they are absolutely due.too bad not everyone realizes that I treat people according to the way they act.

Really? OK guess if you say so it must be true.

 

[737823]

Really? OK guess if you say so it must be true.

WeAA when are the recalls coming to AUS, SJU, and STL to work USAIR flights? What happens to the vendors and their employees? They become unemployed, no? AA will recall or fill transfers into those stations.

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

WeAA when are the recalls coming to AUS, SJU, and STL to work USAIR flights? What happens to the vendors and their employees? They become unemployed, no? AA will recall or fill transfers into those stations.
Josh

I don't honestly care about the vendors. The vendor companies can go to hell and I'd gladly welcome their employees as part of our UNION team if they would like to join us? If and when there are job openings that union members are not interested in first?

 

[700UW]

But you did post this:

Josh

Like I said I was correct and you lied once again.

 

[southwind]

Not soon enough.

You want it over, come on out to the Penguin & help get cards turned in. The fresh air might do you some good...

Err. you would think, after 2 years of union propaganda, all those wishing for a union, would have their cards turned in.
 
Do they wait until they "possibly" hit the magic number, 50 + 1 ?

 

[700UW]

you don't have DL profit sharing which is 15% above pay rates for this year.

if you were as confident in what AA has, you wouldn't be telling people to ignore me.

You do that because you are afraid that people will find out the truth which is that AA's contract is not industry contract.

Once again people dont make their choice about being unionized on one issue especially profit sharing, its minimal compared to the real issues.
 
And let me ask you this again for like the 10th time, what happens when the next downturn in the industry happens, as it will as the airline business is cyclical, when there are no profits to share, just losses?

 

[Kev3188]

Do they wait until they "possibly" hit the magic number, 50 + 1 ?

Re-read that sentence, and then try again.

Why would they file any time prior to that?

OTOH, it's entirely possible that 50%+1 has already been met, and they're pushing to get 75-80% signed before filing.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Nice try at the spin , and I'm more than confidant. You are running scared and I'm enjoying it!!

 
 

uhh no skippy   I speak with a large nbr of DL folks and Im simply stating what they have been saying here skippy.   Its fun to see how youre terrified of those facts

 
the only people that are terrified are the unions who continue to watch their membership numbers drop.

I have the benefit of knowing the culture of DL which has favored DL's form of employee-mgmt. relationship which most DL employees have embraced, more of whom are former union members than not  

so, no. I am free choice and if DL employees choose to vote for a union, I support them. I am not afraid of free choice.

but they have not choosing to change what has worked very well for them..

 

Once again people dont make their choice about being unionized on one issue especially profit sharing, its minimal compared to the real issues.
 
And let me ask you this again for like the 10th time, what happens when the next downturn in the industry happens, as it will as the airline business is cyclical, when there are no profits to share, just losses?

which is a copout for the fact that unions can't deliver more money for DL employees than what they are getting now

WN has proven that it is possible to run a business that works regardless of the cycles of the industry.

DL has rebuilt its company to do the same thing.

Continuing to live in the past where airlines had to slash pay and run into BK because they didn't run their businesses right when times were good is the problem - for labor and mgmt.

DL isn't doing that anymore - and everyone benefits not the least of which are employees.

again, the formula has worked well for WN and its employees. a union doesn't change the way the business is run any different.

 

[robbedagain]

That may of been back then but times have changed and so have peeps minds esp after seeing the tiny ps they got when dl sliced it to 2 or 3 % so whats stoppin dl from choppin all but 2 or 3 % again mgmt promises are mgmt failures to follow thru closings of cities for cargo etc etc

 

[737823]

Like I said I was correct and you lied once again.

Wrong again I didn't lie, even Kevin stated I was correct. Why did you post that IAM flyer? Do F/As really believe they can sign cards online?

Josh

 

[WorldTraveler]

you are clearly a virgin in the industry but aircraft have been moving from station to station and airlines have been increasing and decreasing service since airplanes, uh, started flying.

DL people can figure all of that out.

if DL people believe that a union will change that, they are more than free to vote for a union.

it won't change the fact that airlines change staffing - and in the case of AA and UA, cut their own people out of dozens of cities - far more so than DL has done.

 

[737823]

I don't honestly care about the vendors. The vendor companies can go to hell and I'd gladly welcome their employees as part of our UNION team if they would like to join us? If and when there are job openings that union members are not interested in first?

That's nice so anyone who isn't in a union you don't care about. The vendor employees families will be disrupted but hey you don't care. Many of the vendor employees work harder than you thanks to your work rules but as you said before you are too good to work under those terms.

Josh

 

[737823]

Hey 700 you missed a flyer for the DTW meet and greet. What happened man? Do I need to tell John Carr?

Josh

 

[T5towbar]

That's nice so anyone who isn't in a union you don't care about. The vendor employees families will be disrupted but hey you don't care. Many of the vendor employees work harder than you thanks to your work rules but as you said before you are too good to work under those terms.

Josh

I understand that, and am seeing the effect that the newly installed vendors are having with staffing problems in the cities that have been recently farmed out. And in a city like DEN, it doesn't help if the pay is so low, the costs of working is prohibitive. But I have an issue when cities that are supposed to be insourced by our members can't, because vendors are still in place. (ie: spit operated cities). They have to go. PERIOD. (LOA#6).
 
Back then, if you were a vendor, that was a stepping stone to get to a real airline. Many people I know came from the vendors because they knew theyhad a future with a airline with all that goes along with it, instead of working for a crappy outfit to have your pay "reset" after a couple of years, etc. And if you want to know, our work rules are there for a reason. All of have paid our dues, so to speak. I agree with WeAAsels on this one........