Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[metopower]

When are the usual yearly health care election booklets put out ? Oct as I recall . Just because usair put theirs out because of the AA contract should not effect DL 's timing.

 

[topDawg]

Lifer,
I'm not sure how long you have been at DL but it has been the NORM at DL for decades to have to move to a hub or large station in order to move up.

Kev,

you don't know what the impact of the insurance changes will be. How about you get the answers before deciding it is all bad news? maybe it is and maybe it isn't.

in case you missed it, AA is increasing insurance rates far more than DL is and are consolidating insurance options.

Your concerns would be slightly more credible if DL were the only company or airline doing it. They aren't.

btw, transition IS a verb as well as a noun.

I would have expected you of all people to have known that.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/transition?s=t

and so is broom, jim.

No it hasn't. When Delta was really doing ramp work in-house it was pretty easy to move up with-in your station. 
 
We are now seeing what happens when you cut out pension. (and outsource a ton on top of it) You have people who work till they die because they have no other option. That means the young guys have to move or stay at RR forever. 

 

[Kev3188]

When are the usual yearly health care election booklets put out ? Oct as I recall . Just because usair put theirs out because of the AA contract should not effect DL 's timing.

OAL timing of Open Enrollment isn't the issue, Meto...

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, it's the timing of Open Enrollment period at Delta.

 

[Kev3188]

Nope, not that either...

 

[700UW]

 

[Airlinelifer]

Lifer,
I'm not sure how long you have been at DL but it has been the NORM at DL for decades to have to move to a hub or large station in order to move up.

The DL "NORM" is to do your time in a hub/large station and pray for the opportunity to go back "home" when their is an opening back in your original station. But if your station is not at the 50/50 benefited/non-benefited ratio, their is ZERO chance to go back home.

BTW, I started PT, was awarded a full time ramp position in BOS, transferred back to my home station and waited for a permanent FT opening (4 years later).

All the while being a "benefited" employee, being able to upgrade to FT 5 months out of the year and work as many hours as I can pick up without penalty of some arbitrary "hours" limit.

WT, answer me this: Do you support DL's move to have "casual" workers make up half of your Below wing staff at spoke stations?

PS I've been in the airline industry since 1982. DL since the merger.

 

[Kev3188]

Real talk!

 

[WorldTraveler]

I started in a small station as an original DL hire within a few years of when you did, moved to a hub, and moved up from there. Many others did the same. it IS the way DL employees had to move whether they were hired, esp if they were hired in a small city.

I'd love for every employee in the US to be full-time and benefitted but that isn't economic reality. DL has done as good as if not better job than its peers in having the workforce flexibility to compete successfully with low cost competitors, protect the interests of FT employees, while providing high quality service.

The notion that DL ACS employees can't move up because those above them won't leave is nonsense - unless you believe that other employees in other depts. won't leave either.

IN fact, I am at the gate at a DL hub right now and I couldn't tell other than perhaps by age who is FT and who is PT or RR. The quality of service is the same. Of course, newer employees can't work widebody int'l flights AW or BW but DL doesn't ask them to; they can work domestic flights often alongside FT employees.

and I'm still waiting for the number of AA, DL, and UA stations that are staffed AW or BW. I still can't help believe that Dl has its own staff in more cities than either AA or UA.

 

[700UW]

Tell by age?
 
That is ridiculous and stereotypical.
 
You left Delta almost 10 years ago, you were in revenue management.
 
Lifer and Kev are ACTIVE employees, I would think they know a heck of a lot more than a person who took a buyout and left almost 10 years ago.

 

[robbedagain]

for the combined AA   staffed BW are in the following...  LAX LAS SFO PHX DFW ATL MIA FLL JAX TPA PBI MCO CLT RDU DCA BWI (IAD??)
JFK EWR PHL LGA BOS PIT    also WT most if not all of these are also staffed AW as well  this is for the combined AA and US   I am not sure if I missed any cities but someone else can enlightened me if I did

 

[700UW]

US has staff in ORD and BDL and others, I dont have the list but I know its more than you posted.
 
SAN?  MSY?  IAH?
 
PMUS Fleet has the most secure scope language in the industry now, one mainline flight either US or AA and it has to be staffed under the new CBA.

 

[WorldTraveler]

thanks, robbed. Kev can tell me the number but I am pretty sure that DL has BW staff in more cities than that.

And the number of AW DL staff is much higher.

and 700, you NEVER worked for DL.

No one here as the inside scoop on DL employees; if Kev did, then he would have achieved his desires to see DL further unionized.

That quite simply has not happened and that is the greatest evidence that I am a whole lot more in touch than you would like to think.

 

[700UW]

And you have been GONE about 10 YEARS.
 
Lifer and Kevin are active ACS employees.
 
You know a lot can change in 10 years, like the 50% ready reserve who get one raise, have no benefits except flying and have their hours capped.

 

[robbedagain]

yes 700 I did forget to mention BDL AND PVD   may be SAN MSY  but I am not sure  but thanks for adding to that