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"It isn't hard to realize that when pay raises are going up at other carriers - AND NOTHING IS IN WRITING FOR NEXT YEAR, it takes NO TIME for DL to decide that nothing moves up."
Thanks for that nugget.
 
"DL could choose to freeze all the pay raises and profit sharing for whatever group chooses a union"
Typical Delta -speak, tell that to the pilots and dispatchers,are they not unionized? Or is it because they're already represented, you don't include them?
 
it is precisely because they have a union that they will get what is in the contract.

you and Kev and others that want to harp about nothing being in a contract somehow don't quite, yes, grasp that DL has no obligation to continue to provide the same increases in compensation that they have been providing beyond what they currently pay.

Profit sharing is announced YEARLY. So are pay raises.

No DL employee is going to risk giving up that kind of money just to have "a voice"
 
there you go again   youre preaching for all dl folks by that last statement    youre one pathetic loser.    when DL becomes union youre the one who gonna freak out   
 
Kev  Dawg   Glenn   and all the dl folks  I personally hope to see you all become union so that you all have voice N a say  
 
Q walked off the job while following a failed union strategy.

Kev and dawg will leave DL as non-union employees.

You can wish all you want, robbed, but DL employees will vote with their pocketbooks = and they clearly are on the side of maintaining the status quo.

There is way too much at risk to leave for some union idea that hasn't delivered anything of value at other airlines.
 
so, Kev, can you explain how DL employees are supposed to give up 20% of their pay in order to go with a union, because as you note, they have no contract so DL has no obligation to increase pay a year from now based on what has been done this year, including profit sharing?
 
robbedagain said:
there you go again   youre preaching for all dl folks by that last statement    youre one pathetic loser.    when DL becomes union youre the one who gonna freak out   
 
Kev  Dawg   Glenn   and all the dl folks  I personally hope to see you all become union so that you all have voice N a say
Thanks robbed.

I left because the compensation offered by my employer, compared to my skillset, did not match.

I am a much better person knowing that I stood by my convictions. I am also very happy in how my career took shape after making the decision to not accept what was offered.

I have flourished by using my skills and education.

Thankfully, I don't rely on others to give me donations to supplement my cost of living.

I also do not seek any kind of validation of my psyche through an Internet blog.

Good luck to you all.
 
so you don't do dumpster diving, you say?

and you came upon this sense of your own worth only AFTER your union killed 5000 of the US airline industry's best paying jobs?
 
Anytime bro of course w wt being gone( or paid to be fired from) dl he has not 1 clue what the reality is now vs when he worked there. Glenn glad to see u flourishing well bro
 
given his posts on here..  Id say absolutely he sure did...... 😛h34r: 🙄
 
Glenn Quagmire said:
Thanks robbed.
I left because the compensation offered by my employer, compared to my skillset, did not match.
I am a much better person knowing that I stood by my convictions. I am also very happy in how my career took shape after making the decision to not accept what was offered.
I have flourished by using my skills and education.
Thankfully, I don't rely on others to give me donations to supplement my cost of living.
I also do not seek any kind of validation of my psyche through an Internet blog.
Good luck to you all.
And that is great, that things worked out for you!
On the other hand, I personally know several people, who had some serious time, 10-15 years and took the buyout during the riff, only to come back, years later and having to start at the bottom again. They were not so fortunate, in the outside world.
 
robbedagain said:
there you go again   youre preaching for all dl folks by that last statement    youre one pathetic loser.    when DL becomes union youre the one who gonna freak out   
 
Kev  Dawg   Glenn   and all the dl folks  I personally hope to see you all become union so that you all have voice N a say  
FWIW I don't feel the need for a union just yet. I think management changes with-in TechOps have made things better and will only get better. 
 
I do hope for Kev and all the rampers they get something better than what they have now. (I also hope they don't sell out like UA's ramp did) 
 
Glenn Quagmire said:
Thanks robbed.

I left because the compensation offered by my employer, compared to my skillset, did not match.

I am a much better person knowing that I stood by my convictions. I am also very happy in how my career took shape after making the decision to not accept what was offered.

I have flourished by using my skills and education.

Thankfully, I don't rely on others to give me donations to supplement my cost of living.

I also do not seek any kind of validation of my psyche through an Internet blog.

Good luck to you all.
congrats Glenn. I know WT can't figure it out, but I am thankful for what you and the AMFA did for the craft. 
 
WorldTraveler said:
so you don't do dumpster diving, you say?

and you came upon this sense of your own worth only AFTER your union killed 5000 of the US airline industry's best paying jobs?
Still have no clue about the AMFA strike eh?
 
google would be a good place to start..... 
 
Airlinelifer said:
I wonder if WT agreed with the pre-merger DL executives decision to cut down to 15 ramp stations. 
he can't even admit that IAM scope is why Delta has 40+ stations now........ 
 
yes, in fact, I have repeatedly noted that DL has retained the scope it inherited from NW and the IAM.

and the fact that Kevin has repeatedly noted that in his opinion it costs less to hire an RR working alongside some FT personnel, it should be obvious why DL has adopted the model it has.

DL has its own people, including FT people who are long term participants in stations - but they also use RRs to help increase staffing to what is necessary to staff small and medium sized stations.

Other airline unions have repeatedly said they don't want minimally benefitted or RR positions - and guess what they get but to have stations outsourced.


I wonder if WT agreed with the pre-merger DL executives decision to cut down to 15 ramp stations.
 

how or why would I have?
 
And that is great, that things worked out for you!
On the other hand, I personally know several people, who had some serious time, 10-15 years and took the buyout during the riff, only to come back, years later and having to start at the bottom again. They were not so fortunate, in the outside world.
of course there are people who did not fare well.

Walking away from a job in any environment is giving to leave some people worse off.

many will succeed but there will be those that get hurt in the process.

The southside of Atlanta is full of former Eastern employees. Many DL employees know one or more former EA employees - not all fared well. Some did.

People are simply not willing to put good paying, benefitted jobs on the line in order to pursue something that might or might not work out. The economics improvement for what unions can offer compared to what non-union companies, esp. airlines offer is just not there.
 
WorldTraveler said:
yes, in fact, I have repeatedly noted that DL has retained the scope it inherited from NW and the IAM.
 
but that can't be. 
 
Unions are only good for sending jobs out the door right? 
 
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